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edwardofhuncote

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2020, 04:43:10 AM »
Thanks for posting-in with the extra info Harry and Brian, every little piece helps. Alan Thompson seems as good a suspect/guess as any. (Yep, that sounds like a classic RT answer... ;)) Thompson was mentioned in another recent thread as a candidate for having built a mystery guitar Stephen Stills is pictured playing. Like the "Joker" here, it has all the hallmarks of the early 70's NorCal School. http://club.alembicguitars.com/index.php?topic=25835.0

There is just something about this one though... the Omega-cut, the symmetrical horns, the extra backstraps on the headstock behind the scarf, the high-relief carve of the top. Somebody went to a lot of care building this guitar, and I can't help but think it was either a commissioned job, or a built-for-personal-use. Maybe we'll find out one day.

*FWIW, and not that I care, but the 'Suspended Listing' has been lifted, the guitar is back up. The ad has been edited, and now says something about raising money for charities. Also includes a quote from Doug Irwin claiming- "I like this guitar." (Yeah, I like it too, but unless Irwin liked it because he built it, I don't think that helps his case much) Wow.

Dear Santa... there's this guitar I like... I don't know how your schedule looks for tonight, but, uhhh... I've been pretty good this year. ::)

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edwardofhuncote

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2024, 06:14:07 AM »
I was reading really old threads this weekend, ran across this one: https://club.alembicguitars.com/index.php?topic=842.0


...and immediately thought about the mysterious The Joker guitar again. Did anyone ever ask Mark Johnson about it?

edwardofhuncote

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2026, 03:06:42 AM »
I figured it was about time for this card to turn up again...

https://reverb.com/item/94794080

Do we finally learn the Joker's true lineage, or does he fade to obscurity for another season?


*FWIW, this sounds like an estate situation now.   




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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2026, 08:55:21 AM »
Mystery solved, it’s his!

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2026, 10:12:42 AM »

Mystery solved, it’s his!

Bill, tgo




Haha!

Yeah, I saw this updated listing for the "Joker" guitar too - I was surprised that the updated description now completely acknowledges the ludicrous original price, although the reason given for it is a bit sad.  At least the original owner's widow seems to have a sense of humor about it, and describes her late husband affectionately (but also "oddball" and "crazy man"  ;D ), which is nice.  RIP to him, regardless.

$9k still seems optimistic, but they're accepting offers too, so who knows what it'll go for.  I kind of hope the current seller gets at least a decent price for it, given her situation, and it is a pretty awesome and unique guitar - I certainly wouldn't mind owning it!
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edwardofhuncote

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2026, 10:53:00 AM »
Here are a couple detail pics I saved from long-expired ads. Fascinating how the pickups are designed to be installed or removed from this modular plug. And the engraved tailpiece, Custom Made For John Cale. Evidently a different one. Or is it Cole? Only The Joker knows.

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2026, 11:34:00 AM »
Good question Greg; an "a" or an "o"?

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2026, 01:33:27 PM »
There are three clear "o" characters "Custom ... For John" and one clear "a" in "Made". To me it clearly spells "John Cole".

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 07:00:08 AM »
Yes; thanks Adriaan!

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 07:24:51 AM »
I don't know if ever noticed the spelling misinterpretaion before yesterday. I looked at the picture again before posting, and thought of it. Props to Adriaan for the presence of mind to spot the other 'o's. I concur; if the engraving is true, The Joker guitar was custom made for John Cole. Still the questions remain... made by whom, and who in the world is/was he?


So weird. No one could forget a guitar like that.

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 09:17:54 AM »
Well, according to Google there was a blues guitarist named John Cole in Rochester, NY, who died of the Plague March of '20, age 79.  But all online pix of him show him with a Strat or an ES-3xx-TD.

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 09:56:54 AM »
Now I'm really curious too...

Since this couldn't have been a cheap guitar at the time, there has to be a decent chance that it was a fairly "established" guitarist.  So maybe Google would reveal any semi-famous John Coles who were guitar players around the time period this guitar was built?
Which is actually still a bit of a question in my mind - I know the overall style is early- to mid-70s, but is that computer-style multi-pin connector to the pickups a bit more modern?  Maybe 80s?  Maybe I'm wrong, and these were available even in the mid-70s.

In any case, I did some Google searching for any guitarists named John Cole that might have been active in the 70s or 80s, and found a few:
There was a British rock band called The Movies in the mid- to late-70s with lead guitarist named John Cole.  Not sure if he's still around; I can't find much info about this band.  Example photos:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/khiltscher/albums/72157624754576866/with/4904910655

Blues guitarist John Cole, passed away 2020.  Seems less likely as the Joker doesn't scream "blues" to me, but who knows:  https://hsnorton.com/tribute/details/2994

This guitarist John Cole was featured in a YouTube product demo by Monoprice, and sort of implied to be a "known" guitarist, but I can't find any more information about him.  MIGHT be old enough to have commissioned the Joker? 

Anyway, I searched for as many images of guitarists named John Cole from the 70s and 80s via Google Image search, hoping maybe a single image might show someone playing The Joker live, but unfortunately I didn't see anything.

The other possibility, of course, is that John Cole was just a private player who splurged on this custom guitar, and there is little to no information on the internet about him.

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #42 on: Today at 04:49:41 AM »
Yeah, maybe Occam's razor is best applied here. It's just a custom one-off guitar, made clearly in the Alembic style, for someone who had that taste and could afford it.

Facts: there are no Alembic parts in this guitar, and no one at Alembic remembers it. Rick Turner didn't claim to either, when still living. None of the usual folks you think of... Doug Irwin didn't, nor Brian Smith. So there is no apparent direct connection. The guitar doesn't appear modified either. It was built this way by someone very skilled.

And there's the mystery. I'm willing to accept the possibility there's folks we never heard of that could have made that guitar. What I can't accept is this is the first, or only one they made.

Other questions; where did they get their templates? This guitar appears to be a combination of a couple things. The symmetrical-horned upper body is uncannily like early Alembic patterns, but with more roundover. The lower bout is more of a mid-70's Omega-cut Series guitar. The points of the Omega don't come back to the neck beam, for instance, another tell. It also isn't shaped like the earlier ones with a bit of oblong shape like the Marmaduke guitar or the Santana custom. There's another Omega-cut guitar that surfaced a few years ago too with no serial number, nothing like this. What we have in Joker is unique but it's as if someone had access to Alembic patterns. Even the backplates are correctly shaped and positioned on the body wings. Note they are mounted with only two screws though, a deviation.

All that's before we even mention the crazy amount of laminates. I count 9 layers each, for the neck and body. If I was guessing, that's a heavy guitar. 12 lbs plus wouldn't surprise me.

I had a better picture of the electronics cavity a while back but haven't kept it, so can only speculate. I seem to remember just CT pots in there and those switches. Who knows what they all do, or if they work. But it's fascinating how they must have thought this out. 7 knobs, 6 switches. Assuming the one offset from the cluster is master volume. Bridge and neck pickups are HB's, so a couple switches probably coil-tap and/or phase. A set of 3 switches to enable or disable pickups? I get dizzy thinking about how the rest of it might work. The last time I saw a jack-on-the-back was a Turner Model 27, for what that's worth.

Whoever John Cole was, he had some very high expectations!

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #43 on: Today at 08:28:14 AM »
Maybe Master Volume/Neck Volume/Neck Treble/Neck Bass/Bridge Volume/Bridge Treble/Bridge Bass; On/OffX3, Split X2, Phase?
And, speaking as someone who has spent a goodly amount of time deciphering cursive from bygone eras, I kick myself for missing the engraving on the tailpiece; I wholehearted concur with Adriaan's reading, and now have no doubt whatsoever it was made for John Cole, not Cale.

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Re: joker on reverb
« Reply #44 on: Today at 09:33:06 AM »
Devil is in the details.  That is aesthetically beautiful.