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glocke

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2018, 05:16:36 AM »


I'm sorry I didn't get back to this sooner - you might want to check if you can actually use the line in simultaneously with the XLR inputs. In fact, looking at the manual, I don't think there is a line-in, though I thought I saw one - I think it might only be the headphone/line-out jack.

You could, though, record a song into it (in real time) and then afterwards go back and play over it. If this is what you were planning on doing, then I think that is doable - you'll just need an adaptor to go from your mini-headphone jack (1/8"?) on the iPhone/CD player/etc. to two quarter inch plugs. I've recorded like that into mine and there shouldn't be a problem.

But if you wanted to play along as everything was recording, then unless you use the built-in mics to record your amp, then I don't think you can do it.


Also remember that recording the songs into the unit in real time is relatively time-consuming. You'll have to keep an eye on the unit so that you stop it at the end of the song so you don't have a huge file with empty space at the end.

Re: listening back: it does have a mono speaker that you can listen on, or you can listen on headphones (or plug it into a speaker system). You can just leave the files on the H4n and play them from there - I do that with stuff I record at rehearsal - listen to the tracks and only import what I want to into my computer.

I hope this helps! Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about it, or ask here is fine too. By the way, the manual is here:

https://www.zoom-na.com/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/Zoom_H4nPro_English.pdf
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Yeah I mistook the headphone jack for a line-in.

Im also realizing I might be a luddite after all...I ordered the Soundcraft 8 channel mixer from amazon and it arrived last night.  I played around with it for a little last night after downloading Reaper and than spent a few hours this morning with it and ended up getting pretty frustrated with it.

I plugged the USB cable into my MacBook pro, and I used the RCA jacks on the soundcraft as an input for audio from my iPhone, channel 1 had the DI from my demeter going into it...and for playback/monitoring I was using a bose revolve plus bluetooth speaker.  audio from the phone played back fine, however there was some weird latency issue with the bass.  I'd pluck the string and it would come out of the bluetooth speaker a second later than it registered on the reaper software or from what I'd hear from my amp.  Playing back the recordings I made there seemed to also be some lag between what was coming off the audio from the iPhone and what i was playing on bass.  At first I thought my timing was just off with whatever track I was using but I verified it with a metronome and the lag seemed reproducible.

Next I tried just using headphones for monitoring and I just simply could not get any sound out of the headphone jack of the mixer.  There was nothing but some sort of electronic noise coming from somewhere.

Frankly dealing with the software and the mess of cables is just far more effort than I want to put into this...All I want to do is critique the bass lines I'm coming up with against existing recordings or apps like irealpro of drum genie.  I think this mixer is going back to amazon and I'll just stick with the old Sony PCMD50 i have..Not perfect but probably good enough for my purposes.

keith_h

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2018, 06:03:38 AM »
Not sure which model Soundcraft you have but if it was showing up in Reaper at the correct time then it is not related to the mixer. I would suspect it has more to do with your computer and the Bluetooth speaker or you have some type of delay effect set for the bass channel in Reaper.

glocke

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2018, 06:48:30 AM »
Not sure which model Soundcraft you have but if it was showing up in Reaper at the correct time then it is not related to the mixer. I would suspect it has more to do with your computer and the Bluetooth speaker or you have some type of delay effect set for the bass channel in Reaper.

I have the notepad 8 channel.  I think the lag was Bluetooth related to be honest.  Still puzzling why the only got noise from the headphone jack also. 

Kind of disappointing but at the end of the day given my limited free time and energy levels I just don’t want to wrestle with technology. 

keith_h

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2018, 07:26:27 AM »
You did switch the master to headphones or if using the Aux set it to headphones?

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2018, 10:38:58 AM »
If I understand correctly, you are trying to record yourself playing along to a recording for reference purposes.  If that is the case, may I suggest a far simpler solution.  Check out the Blackstar Fly Bass amp.  I have the guitar version.  It is truly the best tiny mini amp out there.  I have the mini Fender and the mini Marshall.  They are both cute toys.  The Blackstar is a real amp.  It has an aux in where you plug in your phone, ipod, CD player, or any other source you want to play along with.  Then you can take an out, with speaker simulation, directly to you recording device, in mono or stereo   You can get an extension speaker for the Fly that turns it into a sweet portable stereo. 

Bill, tgo

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2018, 12:00:37 PM »
For simple ambient recordings of all my rehearsals and gigs I use either my ZOOM H5 or H6 . With both of these units one can use interchangeable microphone capsules and combine line and /or microphone level feeds .I highly recommend both units , The H5 will do 2 channel stereo or simultaneous 4 tracks. The H6 will do a maximum of 6 simultaneous tracks . I mostly just do the 2 channel ambient function with the integral removable microphone capsules . Both these units are highly coast effective :)

glocke

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2018, 04:08:56 AM »
If I understand correctly, you are trying to record yourself playing along to a recording for reference purposes.  If that is the case, may I suggest a far simpler solution.  Check out the Blackstar Fly Bass amp.  I have the guitar version.  It is truly the best tiny mini amp out there.  I have the mini Fender and the mini Marshall.  They are both cute toys.  The Blackstar is a real amp.  It has an aux in where you plug in your phone, ipod, CD player, or any other source you want to play along with.  Then you can take an out, with speaker simulation, directly to you recording device, in mono or stereo   You can get an extension speaker for the Fly that turns it into a sweet portable stereo. 

Bill, tgo

Correct....Examples, playing the melody of jazz tunes with aebersold play-alongs or real pro going as the backing track, working on bass lines with DrumGenius as the backing track, all played through my iPhone.  I took a look at the Blackstar, something to think about but I don't really need another amp.

I did make some progress with the Soundcraft Notepad.  Headphone output works today, not sure why it did not work yesterday.  Using Garageband I am able to get a recorded signal from my bass and my iPhone when it's going to the RCA jacks, however I only get the left channel...which is the bass and drum track.  Sigh...For whatever reason I am unable to use Reaper.  First off the signal level is way too low to be of any use in that program, secondly there is this weird sine wave sounding high pitched feedback that occurs in reaper, I have to turn the levels down very low for that to go away.  That feedback occurs in Garageband as well..but at least there Im able to get a usable signal, but like I said I only get the left channel out of the RCA jacks.


Sonicus, looking at the zoom it doesn't appear that it would do what I want to do.  See my first paragraph in this post...I need one of the inputs to come from the headphone jack of my iPhone.  I don't see how thats possible on the zoom.

Frankly Im really sort of amazed by all this..I didn't think what I wanted to accomplish was that difficult, especially given todays tech, but either the technical side of all this just escapes me or I am just asking too much.

Edit:  finally got all this to work...Apparently there is a setting in garage band to choose between mono in or stereo in...i had it set to mono but once i switched it to stereo both channels from the iPhone ended up getting recorded. 
« Last Edit: December 16, 2018, 06:22:01 AM by glocke »

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Re: best and simplest way to record myself?
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2018, 10:35:44 AM »
glocke ____  , It would being easy to do with the Zoom H5 &H6  in that the Zoom H5 &H6 can handle LINE level signal levels at the inputs . Your headphone outs from the iPhone can be patched in with the correct adapters  and attenuation . A simple patch .
« Last Edit: December 16, 2018, 10:43:07 AM by sonicus »