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alemboid

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #105 on: August 03, 2004, 08:50:34 PM »
-Blush- Thanks, friends. I built her with my own two hands, and as a result she is, lets say, special. Unlike other Sadowsky basses, I radiused the edge of the body to 1/2 inch, installed abalone fret markers, two-toned the tuners, recessed the straplocks and customized the electronics. There is a better picture of her at www.bryant.hilgraves.com on my bio page. There, you will also see my Orion and Clarke Deluxe.  
 
There is no comparison between the Alembic pickups and the Sadowsky pickups. The electronics in the Alembic are so radically refined. I played a friends jazz bass that has the Alembic Jazz bass replacement pickups in it- WOW!!! It was really brought to life by the Alembic electronics. I will likely replace the guts in the Sadowsky with a set.  
 
I may build another jazz type bass in sunburst for old times sake.  
 
Will we ever be satisfied with all the choices out there?
 
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bigredbass

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #106 on: August 03, 2004, 10:38:13 PM »
Alemboid:
 
So I've always wondered:  WHY would I shell out for a Sadowsky when I could build the same thing from Warmoth parts?  Am I missing something here?
 
J o e y

bob

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #107 on: August 03, 2004, 11:45:30 PM »
Alemboid - I'm not sure how long you've been around here, and Joey was away for a while, so on his behalf I just want you to know he's asking a simple, honest question, with no offense intended.
 
Obviously, this one is special because you built it yourself, but having never played a Sadowsky myself, I'm also a bit curious about why they have been mentioned here so often in recent months.
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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2004, 04:58:01 AM »
For what it's worth, I know Walter Becker is listed as playing Sadowsky guitars and basses on the latest Everything Must Go CD from Steely Dan.
Mike
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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2004, 06:14:34 AM »
Joey: No need to build a bass from Warmouth parts. Lakland (amongst others) has already done that for you, LOL! Seriously, you get what you pay for. Sadowsky puts a lot of craftsmanship into their instruments...something Fender leaves out. BTW, I own Fenders but not Sadowsky's. I skipped them and went straight for an Alembic, LOL!
 
Bob: Since Sadowsky's forte is building high-end Jazz Basses, any time there's talk about Fender J's, Sadowsky's are usually mentioned in the same breath. Sadowsky's were mentioned on my Custom Orion FTC thread because I commissioned an Alembic version of a J-bass (albeit a very high-end version) without the big, heavy, clunky body.
 
Whether you like J's or not, E. Bryant's Sadowsky is top shelf and flat-out gorgeous. The fact that he's an ex-Sadowsky luthier and that he hand- built the thing to his own custom specs. makes it all the more special. I'd hold on to that thing regardless of what value the blue book or the market dictates. Just my $0.02

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #110 on: August 04, 2004, 06:21:55 AM »
Other basses I played that have been sacrificed on behalf of the Balance K I'm having built:
1996 20th Anniversary Music Man Stingray
1998 Alembic Orion 5 string
1997 Alembic Epic 5 string
1985 Alembic Distillate
1998 Fender Precision Am. Std.
1997 Fender Jazz Am. Std.
???? Warmoth Jazz (neck and body made 5 years apart)
 
Basses I'm keeping no matter what!
1995 Alembic Elan 5 string
1998 Alembic Orion 5 string (Std. Pt. body)
1980 Alembic Series 1
1973 Rickenbacker 4001 (my first real bass, bought it new in March of 1974 for $390.00, case included!)
1989 Fender Jazz fretless MIJ
2000 Zeta Strados Crossover
 
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
 
Reid

alemboid

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2004, 08:12:18 AM »
Hello Joey,
 
Welcome back! You ask a good question. For the price of a Sadowsky these days, you could by an Alembic. Some people can't get past the thought of a bass being nothing else than Fender like- meaning bolt on neck, shaped like a Fender with Fenderish sounds and painted. They may be skeptical about the Fenders available, in that their build quality varied from bass to bass, which resulted in some units sounding great (like Marcus Miller's bass) and some sounding horrible, even though they are from the same year(s). So, in pursuit of reliability and satisfaction, they go for a well built clone- Sadowsky, Modulus, Mike Lull, Lakland etc.
 
At Sadowsky, the necks and bodies are carved on a CNC machine, and from there, everything is by hand and delicately done. If you only knew how many bodies are rejected and resprayed due to finish inconsistancies, the fuss over final set-up, meticulous fret work, painstaking neck joint fitting, etc. That's why the price is what it is, and for Fenderholics, its a dream come true.
 
On the other hand, Alembic took what Fender did, and jumped ahead by eliminating inherent faults in the Fender design (mechanical neck joint, pots that are good enough, less stable neck construction, simple pickup design, etc.) and as a result, you find a unique sound in the Alembic due to everything it is (thank you Ron, Susan, Rick Turner, Mica & family).  
 
You can buy a Ritter bolt-on neck bass (using 10 bolts) for $7,000.00, with a less well fit neck joint than a Sadowsky which may run $3,500.00. You can buy a Fender for as little as $300.00 if it's what satisfies you. Or you can buy what I feel is the ultimate refinement in design and the standard in build quality: Alembic. Check out the Alembic website and see the Factory  Tour. Having built my own basses, having repaired other manufacturer's basses, I must say, Alembic 200 years from now will be what the Stradivari is now-the voice of god in tone, the essence of beauty (no pun intended) and still playable.
 
I'd like to thank the club members for their kind thoughts on my Sadowsky. What you don't see are all the autographs on the back and around the edge of the headstock by fellow bassists like Will Lee, Marcus Miller, Oscar Cartaya, Michael Rhodes, John Patittucci & more. Whenever these guys would stop by the shop, I kindly requested their signature. When I play this bass out, those names give me a boost of inspiration!  
 
One day I'll build another bolt-on neck Fender Jazz type bass for myself. One day I'll also order another Alembic. On the same day, both will be with me at a gig. What we pay is motivated by what we think its worth. What we play is motivated by everything we've been influenced by up to the current day.  
 
Some thoughts,
 
Alemboid (Bryant)

alemboid

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2004, 08:37:31 AM »
After thought- (sorry),
 
Fodera and Ken Smith Basses are very well built basses. Like Alembics, a lot of hand work goes into them. In the end, what seperates Alembic from Ken Smith and Fodera are the electronics. Ken Smith and Fodera are both active like Alembic, but the refinement in pickup design and preamp circuitry are what seperates Alembic from the other two. The irony is that the Alembic system is so simple in layout/function, especially compared to the Fodera/Pope setup. Don't get me wrong, they are fine basses, but when you consider the research and advancement, the Alembic stands out as a true value for the money, not to mention the inspiration in the design of those other basses. I hope I didn't offend anyone!
 
...Had to throw that in,
 
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kmh364

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2004, 10:53:07 AM »
Well said!

kevin_k

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2004, 12:12:21 PM »
No other basses for me!  Just the Alembic.
 

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #115 on: August 04, 2004, 02:26:55 PM »
Bryant:
 
N O W   I get it!
 
Just like everything else in life, damn-near-perfect always costs a lot more than pretty good.  Never having been a Fender guy, I just didn't get it.  But I can see where Sadowsky (and fellas like you that obviously took MUCH pride in their work) is the Fender-you-always-wanted-but-they-never-built.
 
Thanks for the insight.
 
Bob, thanks for letting him know I really meant no disrespect; as usual, my peers know me well.
 
J o e y

rami

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #116 on: August 04, 2004, 03:21:28 PM »
Reid, you gave up a 20th Anniversary Stingray?!  True, it's no Alembic, but it's quite a collector's item.
 
Here's mine!
 

alemboid

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #117 on: August 04, 2004, 03:27:20 PM »
SSSSSSssssexy!!!!!  20th Anniversary Stingrays are gorgeous! They sound incredible, too. Rami. you never fail to amaze me!
 
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kmh364

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #118 on: August 04, 2004, 03:57:49 PM »
I've said it before: Rami needs to open a Barber Motorsport Park-style museum with all his basses and charge for admission. Either that or do the Bass Culture book thing a la JAE!  
 
Another very nice piece, Rami. What else have you got hidden up your sleeve? Inquiring minds wanna know, LOL!

palembic

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Re: What other basses do you play?
« Reply #119 on: August 04, 2004, 04:05:21 PM »
Yeah ...Brother Rami's collection is REALLY something. Can you imagine the time he was into Porches??? Oh ...and I forgot the Corvettes!
 
Huh ...just kidding but , when this goes on you never know what that guy will pull out of his sleeves next! HA!
 
Paul the bad one
 
Did I mentioned the HArleys also or am I trespassing Dino-country here?