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mpisanek

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2005, 06:34:11 AM »
The UK has a great tax and spend policy.  Tax on one thing and spend on what you like!

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2005, 06:38:07 AM »
Yeah. The car tax is also known as the 'Road Fund License'. Wonder how much of it gets spent on the roads LOL!
 
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2005, 06:41:34 AM »
The infamous Council Tax springs to mind.

mpisanek

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2005, 06:45:31 AM »
No, I think the council tax is not a good example.  The council tax us and definitely spend it on the council, not the residents!

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2005, 06:46:49 AM »
Very true!  LOL;-)
 
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2005, 06:57:24 AM »
Northern Illinois
Unleaded 2.479
Diesel 3.349
 
I've recently been having problems with plugs and valves fouling, which I'm being told is caused by the crappy gas on the market since good ole G'Dub rescinded some EPA regs to boost production.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2005, 06:59:16 AM »
Can't disagree with any of this.  I think we spend about 20% of tax on fuel and road fund license on the roads, don't we?  It's some terrible ratio.  Disgraceful really. Some of the rest no doubt goes towards giving criminals a decent holiday due to the fact that they had a poor upbringing. Anyone who lives in the UK will know what I'm saying here.

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2005, 07:38:05 AM »
Well generally I have found that the majority of taxes end up funding the organization created to manage the tax not the actual area needing the money.  
 
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2005, 08:06:45 AM »
As a member of the pro-Cummins Turbo Diesel Registry, the club members have been privvy to the advertising onslaught of the newbie biodiesel craze for sometime now. For $4k, exclusive of supplies, you get the rig to convert any vegetable oil into hi-grade diesel. You still need lye and alcohol racing fuel in order to create the reaction necessary. If you're a farmer, or construction company (or any other big bulk commercial Diesel user), then it does make sense to handle caustic lye and extremely flammable alcohol in order to make your own Diesel. As Keith stated, fast food restaurants have to pay to get the stuff taken away...you just have to go get it and handle that smelly, nasty stuff. I'm told there is a bonus: your exhaust smells like french fries and/or popcorn, LOL! I think the current projected cost per gallon of bio-diesel is on the order of $0.70-$0.80. That is the manufacturer(s) claims, and has not yet been corroborated by club members.  
 
FWIW, you can burn just about any type of oil in a diesel including kerosene, motor oil and vegetable oil, as long as it's clean and free of water or other contaminants. Unless you have the proper pump lubricants and other additives (algaecides, cleaning agents, anti-gelling agents, etc.), however, you will be going thru pumps and injectors like crazy. Plus, fuel pressure, economy, complete combustion, etc. suffer unless there's hi-grade #2 oil in there. My FI pump is about $3k, injectors about $1k, and the motor is $16k for a short block(!!!). I don't think I'll be F'n with the fuel in that 300kmi MTBO Cummins anytime soon...a wrecked motor and/or fuel system on a $50k truck with warantee coverage DENIED due to improper fuel is not my idea of fun!  
 
While I did get a great deal on my truck (Cost plus $2k cash back and 0% finance for 48mos.), the doubling/tripling of fuel coupled with the nearly $7k premium to get the Cummins ISB HPCR Diesel option has made my return on investment a joke. While this is still the only way to get a full size, 6 passenger 4WD truck with a 11,000# towing capacity with enough room in the bed to carry full size sheets of plywood and sheetrock, a Harley, or other toys AND still get better than 10MPG (17 to 19MPG on avg. for a 4Ton flying brick is, comparatively,  damn good!), my one-time bargain has become an albatross around my neck. These prices are killing the American auto industry which only survives because of truck and SUV sales.
 
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2005, 10:49:07 AM »
Gas hit $1.99 a gallon today and Diesel dropped to $2.32
 
Oklahoma is a great place to be poor
 
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2005, 11:33:23 AM »
David T.,
 
You lucky SOB, LOL! It sure is good to be an Okie!
 
I just filled up...best price $2.64 for Hess Diesel in Elizabeth, NJ (Outside of Newark Liberty Int'l Airport on Rtes. 1/9). Another $84 in the tank! Just call it the Black Gold, LOL!
 
I never thought I'd see the day where I thought $2/gal for fuel was a great price!

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2005, 04:10:41 PM »
I've noticed that gimmick of selling gas by the litre on visits to Ireland.  They trick us into thinking it's not so bad here, IR?0.75 per litre.  Knowing us dumb tourists are not going to do the math.  
Jacksonville, Fl $2.81 regular unleaded.
 
Sam
 
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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2005, 05:26:42 PM »
Gas is about $4.30 a gallon here in Kyoto, Japan. It doesn't seem so bad nowadays. Not that it's good. My motorcycle needs high octane which is about 10% more.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2005, 05:45:11 PM »
While I'm certainly not in love with the $3 and up pricing of Sunoco Ultra 94, it pains me less to dump the $9-15$ or so on 3-5 gals. in my Harley than it does to spring for the 35gals of #2 fuel in my truck!  
 
As far as using the bike for work: EWR Airport is not the greatest place to use a bike for commuting (just under 100mi round trip/day), and living in the snow belt puts a damper on things as well.  The 40-45MPG economy makes commuting on the bike tempting, but re-fueling every day or treading snow/sleet/freezing rain doesn't.  
 
Up until this year, I don't think I ever came close to putting $10 in the bike's tank, now I routinely exceed that.

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Re: Gas Prices
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2005, 07:52:32 PM »
Well good/bad news we just dropped thirty cents today so regular unleaded is now down to $2.49.
 
It just dawned on me that US fuel economy has been frozen (if not gone backwards) for years (yes my brain is slower that my driving speed). Filled up the 10 gallon tank on my '71' Volvo 1800E, which takes premium with octane booster (still runs best on real Hi-Test). After the fillup I calculated I'm still getting 20 mpg for mixed highway/city driving. Not bad for an old 4 banger.
 
Keith