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jorge_s

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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2007, 11:45:57 AM »
Charley Haden has great recordings.  Sound quality is superb.  I especially enjoy the album Beyond the Missouri Sky with Pat Metheny.  Just upright bass and guitar. Fabulous!

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2007, 12:06:04 PM »
If you really want to hear a mind blowing upright player, you've got to hear Alader Pege.  Quick Google shows that Winter Rose, a duet album with pianist Walter Norris is in print.

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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2007, 12:29:05 PM »
I have over 60 CDs of Mingus. On the majority of them the bass sounds great, you must have had bad luck. Anything by Mingus on Impulse sounds great.  The Thirteen Pictures anthology that Doc mentioned is a good buy & great sounding. The Columbia albums are great too. Unfortunately there's a lot of illegal Mingus stuff out there that looks perfectly legit & I suspect that's what you got; his wife, Sue is constantly waging a war against piracy.
 
Among the living I'd suggest Charlie Haden, Ron Carter, Rob Wasserman & Eddie Gomez & let's not forget Stanley who is actually a great upright player (amazing to see him do on the upright what he does on the electric!).
 
Among the dead, other than Mingus, Oscar Pettiford (Vienna Blues, Deep Passion), Ray Brown (his trio recordings or any of his stuff with Oscar Peterson), Paul Chambers and Nils-Henning Orsted Pedersen (who followed Ray Brown in the Peterson trio).  
 
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2007, 02:30:28 PM »
boy that guy val sure knows a lot about basses
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2007, 04:09:05 PM »
Hey Bob. What are you running for your HI-FI these days?
 
A little off-topic, Doc, but relevant I guess if we're talking about listing to upright bass recordings...
 
CD player: Ayre D-1xe (also happens to be a world class DVD player)
Pre: Ayre K-1xe
Amp: Ayre V-3
Speakers: Aerial 10T
cables: Cardas Golden Cross (including most power cords)
power: two dedicated circuits with isolated grounds, a couple of Richard Gray Power Company conditioners
various acoustic treatments, some purchased, some designed/built myself
 
The Ayre components were actually acquired over the course of 8-10 years, a few years between each, and the CD/DVD and preamp were sent back for upgrades a couple of times. It's, uhmm, a pretty nice setup.
 
Now then, the music is what really matters. I'll have to approach this in installments, since it looks like I have about 900 jazz CDs... Here are some of the easy ones to start with.
 
Dave Holland has been my favorite bassist for more than a decade, as well as a great composer and bandleader. To get a good sense of all that, try Dave Holland Quintet/Extended Play Live at Birdland. 2 disc set recorded (live :-) in 2003, with a great bunch of musicians who had been playing together for years. Terrific sound, not much audience intrusion, much of the time you could believe it was an excellent studio recording. Great music and performances throughout, one of my favorite recordings of the last few years.
 
In a duet setting (with piano), Milcho Leviev and Dave Holland/Up & Down. Recorded live in Tokyo 1987, on the MA Recordings label. Anything on this label is pretty much guaranteed to be sonically outstanding (I just wish they had a larger catalog). Fabulous playing by both these guys, sound is about as good and natural as it gets. I can't recommend this highly enough.
 
If you just want Holland playing bass in your living room, his solo album Ones All would work. This one is thoughtful, introspective, a very intimate recording - I suppose you have to be in the mood for it, but if you are, then it really does sound like he's right there in the room. I could go on about Holland indefinitely, I have tons of his stuff.
 
Charlie Haden: yes, Beyond the Missouri Sky came to mind almost immediately (I still seem to be filing that one under Metheny, but it's a toss up). In a piano duet setting, Charlie Haden & Kenny Barron/Night and the City is a terrific live recording, great sound, beautiful music, sort of late-night nightclub stuff. My guess is many of you here would also enjoy Charlie Haden & Hank Jones/Steal Away, subtitled spirituals, hymns, and folk songs.
 
Of course there is tons of Haden (some more accessible than others), and I pulled out a few others to review but for emphasis on bass those three are a great start (and I assume I still get the extra credit points since the bassist shares the title credit, right?).
 
For our friend Stanley, if you haven't yet then you really must check out the first two Return to Forever albums - I still think this is some of Stanley's best work ever. The first one, self-titled Return to Forever, has some lengthy upright solos, nice stuff. You've probably heard him play some of this stuff since, but perhaps (depending on your taste) never quite as well.
 
Light as a Feather is described by some as one of those perfect albums, and his playing is fantastic throughout, though even more notably for being one of the instruments on equal footing. (By the way, he apparently plays electric and upright on both of these recordings, but I have to admit that it's sometimes hard to tell... if anyone can clarify that for me, I'd appreciate it.)
 
The Rite of Strings has good, and prominent, upright sound, though I find it a little boring and tend to listen to it as background music.
 
I've sort of lost touch with Christian McBride, but was a big fan in his early sideman years. The first one that came to mind was Joe Henderson/Lush Life, The Music of Billy Strayhorn, which opens with a beautiful duet of Henderson and McBride, though McBride is solid throughout. (When I saw Henderson live shortly after this, I was disappointed McBride wasn't on the bill - but Larry Grenadier did not disappoint in the slightest.) And while we're at it, Joe Henderson/So Near, So Far - Musings for Miles has my friend Holland on bass, plus John Scofield and Al Foster, all very tasteful stuff.
 
I'm a huge fan of Patricia Barber (pianist, vocalist, composer), and I'm surprised her long time bassist, Michael Arnopol, isn't better known. He's not flashy, but I always feel like playing after hearing him, and the sound quality on Barber's recordings is always top-notch. Really, you should just buy all of them, it's too hard to pick one. But since we're looking for prominent upright work, on Cafe Blue she covers Ode to Billy Joe, with just voice, someone doing fingersnaps, and Arnopol on bass - I use this for evaluating my system and room acoustics. Just for fun, on A Distortion of Love, Marc Johnson happens to be the bassist and they do a sweet version of My Girl. The story here is that between songs, Marc was noodling the bass line to it for practice, and they sent someone out to pick up the sheet music so they could record it.
 
Or you could go with Companion, a live recording (with Barber on organ rather than usual piano), with several covers, including The Beat Goes On, Use Me (Bill Withers), and even Black Magic Woman. Lots of tasteful bass work throughout, more solos and stuff than usual.
 
Despite all these odd covers (and they really do work), she is truly a first class jazz musician and composer, and for that sake my first three choices would be Verse, or Live: A Fortnight in France, or Modern Cool (which includes Light My Fire and She's a Lady!). Her latest, Mythologies, is again excellent and pushing in some new directions, but I wouldn't choose it for upright bass.
 
Let's see, what next? I generally stay away from recordings by Brian Bromberg under his own name (I guess I lose extra credit points here...), though I find Wood to be a fun album, all upright, well-recorded and definitely prominent. I somewhat regret that I relented and bought Wood II... but he has done some outstanding work as a straight-ahead sideman, a great example being Alan Broadbent/You and the Night and the Music. Another high quality recording, great playing by the trio, and very fine work including numerous solos by Bromberg.
 
It's not that hard to find Ray Brown recordings that sound great - try anything on either the Concord or Telarc labels. And don't forget the classic Sonny Rollins/Way Out West. If you just can't get enough upright, I think he has at least two Super Bass recordings (I only have a couple of tracks on a bonus disc, but they are fun).
 
Glen Moore does some interesting stuff. I have all three volumes of the group called MOKAVE, some of which might be a little out there depending on your tastes, but these are AudioQuest recordings, great sound. I think Vol. 3 is my least favorite, I'd probably start with Vo. 1, but I really enjoy all of them. (Heads up: in case you're inspired to play, it might be helpful to know that he tunes his upright - built in 1715 - as CADC.) However, I haven't listened to his solo Dragonneti's Dream in a few years, which suggests it wasn't a favorite.
 
For Scott LaFaro, I might choose Bill Evans Trio/Sunday at the Village Vanguard just slightly over Waltz for Debby, but that's a tough call. The safer bet would be to pick up the 3 disc The Complete Village Vanguard Recordings, 1961 to get both of those and more, with an outstanding remastering job on Riverside.
 
I think I need a break here. I'll review a little and see what I can come up with for guys such as Gary Peacock, Vitous, Eddie Gomez, Cecil McBee, George Mraz, the list just goes on and on... and maybe a few more obscure but deserving players.
 
-Bob

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2007, 05:58:21 PM »
I think Bob gets the award for longest post ever.
 
Bob, I'd love to check your system out sometime.
 
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2007, 06:17:29 PM »
I thought I would add one comment that I think is on point to the original question.
 
First I should mention that I do have some low frequency hearing loss in one ear.
 
Miles' Kind of Blue is one of my favorite albums for a lot of reasons.  It's been a big influence on my music education.
 
When I listen to Kind of Blue, I like to listen to Miles of course, and Coltrane, and Evans (and Kelly), and Cannonball, and Jimmy Cobb.  But I have a hard time listening to the 1950's era recording of the bass.  And I'm guessing this is Bradley's concern.
 
So while I highly recommend Kind Of Blue, I'm not sure it meets the criteria, as I infer it, that Bradley sets out in the initial post.  However, the fact that I don't think it meets the criteria may actually be of little value in the overall scheme of things.
 
And I should mention that I'm speaking from recollection; I haven't actually listened to the album recently, and my memory is notoriously suspect.

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2007, 06:44:09 PM »
I find that many upright players have intonation (fingering) styles that direct my attention away from the performance. This may be an intentional expression that i can't appreciate. I do find that Pattitucci and Meyer have excellent technique and I really enjoy their soloing. I've been meaning to get an NS 5 to explore that aspect of playing and develope further.  
This post shows me I have a bit of catching up to do with many performers.  Oh. btw Oregon's Out of the Woods has always been a fave album.

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2007, 11:57:46 PM »
Dave, exactly what version of Kind of Blue do you have? I've been through original vinyl, and at least 4 (maybe 5) CD versions. The first CD issue was absolute crap, but at least the last couple have been very good. I'm still having a little trouble figuring out exactly how many notes Chambers plays in that introduction section of So What, but there are a lot more than I ever imagined. A recent version, and good headphone playback, would probably do the trick, he's really good throughout.
 
Pattitucci is maturing very nicely, and rapidly moving up in my list of favorites. If you're a real jazz fan, not just starting out, check him out on a few of the more recent Wayne Shorter albums, notably Footprints Live. Not that he's the standout here, but this is some really great stuff all around and he's a big part of it.
 
Doc, I'm forever indebted (Doc was my Alembic dealer), so email me sometime and we'll work it out. Things are a little hectic right now, but try me once the weather warms up a bit.

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2007, 12:05:22 AM »
You're on Bob.  Things are hectic for me too.  I'm still at work trying to nail down an Audio / Lighting / Multi-Media / Acoustics design for a new Church thats being built on the Fast Track.  They gave me adeposit last week and they have not yet approved or seen a design.  I love Faith.

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2007, 12:55:29 AM »
Personally, I think by ignoring the records from the past masters just because of recording quality, you're missing out on a large fraction of the beautiful bass playing that has been recorded in the history of the instrument.  
I primarily play upright, and listen to a LOT of older jazz material, and i rarely have a problem with hearing the bass on records past the bird era (although i will agree at that point it was bassically a bass drum as far as the recordings are concerned).
Anyway, I cant help but throw in a list of players and bass records I would suggest to anyone trying to get into it, and seeing how most of the records and players I would suggest have been named, I'll try a few you may not know, in no particular order.
Don Thompson on Jim Hall Live!... one of the most melodic bass players I've ever heard, and he plays piano extremely well, but not on this record.
Larry Grenadier with the Brad Mehldau Trio on anything they've recorded, really. Larry is an awesome player and a fantastic guy who i had the opportunity to meet last year after a trio show. He plays with lots and lots of people, but I always like to plug Mehldau.
Charnett Moffett with McCoy Tyner on Land Of Giants.. Charnett is one of the most technically hypnotizing bass players I've ever seen, on acoustic or electric. He likes to slap with his bow, and It's very interesting.
I saw some people named Christian McBride, another one of my favorites, but I didnt see a mention of his newer record Live At Tonic. Its pretty incredible, and I'd suggest any fan of fusion, jam, or jazz check it out soon.
Dave Holland Quintet Live At Birdland.. excellent bass work aside, this is one of the greatest jazz dates in the last 20 years. Dave is an incredible player, from his days with Anthony Braxton on, and his writing is brilliant.
Gary Peacock is always great with the Keith Jarrett trio, but I find his bass sound lacking on some of those records. There's a box set of the trio live at the blue note where his sound is great, though.And if you like free improvised music, which I do, he had an amazing run with Albert Ayler in the 60s. Check out Spiritual Unity.
Some great records for George Mraz are with Joe Lovano on I'm All For You and Joyous Encounter.  The band really captures the old school straight ahead, and Lovano is a genius.
Scott Colley, Boris Kazlov (i think thats how you spell it... he plays mingus's bass!), Peter Washington, Reid Anderson (from The Bad Plus), Chris Wood (from Medeski Martin and Wood), so on and so forth.
Sorry if that turned into CD reviews more than suggestions, but they're good records, I PROMISE! :D
 
just my 2 cents.
Austin
 
Oh! I forgot to mention, one way I got over not being able to hear the bass was having two 15 JL subwoofers put in my car. That helps, trust me.

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2007, 01:03:10 AM »
Dual 15 Subs.  Hell, the neighbors can hear that bass.
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2007, 01:10:07 AM »
Mingus' Half-Mast Inhibition just came on the radio.  What an awesome piece.  I'd like to make a movie just so I could use this piece in it

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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2007, 01:50:56 AM »
I've got to agree with Bob re. pattituci(sp?). i've been a fan since his 'on the corner' album came out (on LP). He came across to Edinburgh a couple of years back with Wayne Shorter and was nothing short of amazing. They put him fairly high in the mix and his soloing was as clear as a bell. Now I just need to see him playing his electric and my life will be almost complete.( I'll be seeing Victor Wooten with the Flecktones in 2 weeks which promises to be a good night). Back to pattituci, I can highly recommend his  solo albums for having a good upright content, especially One more Angel and Communion.
 
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2007, 07:29:08 PM »
There's a brilliant Jim Hall recording with Don Thompson playing bass - recorded in about 1973 or 4 - which features some of the most relaxed, lyrical high register playing ever.  Thompson plays more keyboards these days, but is a brilliant bassist and this recording is exquisite.
 
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