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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 06:20:04 AM »
Oh I see, nice veneers to cover the graphite. Nice touch but it is just what you would expect from Alembic.

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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 07:53:02 AM »
Neck through, eh?  I stand corrected.  I wonder if your bass is one I played at Vic's?
 
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2010, 10:53:56 AM »
Yes, the graphite neck is a full through-body, past the bridge and covered with wood plates on all sides (ensconced in walnut!).  The necks are fabricated out of sheets of epoxy-impregnated graphite fabric in a custom mold, then cooked under heat and pressure in a gigantic autoclave to create the neck structure.  You can't change the neck/body shape in any meaningful way after it's fabricated unlike wood.  Figuring out how the part of the neck than runs under the pickups and into the body should be shaped so the graphite would show is too complex of a geometry problem, especially when these are being mated with different shapes of bodies, so the body part is built up to fit the instrument.  
 
Some of the early instruments have a graphite plate as the back cover of the shape, so you see graphite weave on the back.  A point body like mine is gigantic, so the graphite stops past the bridge but a couple of inches before the battery cavity.  On a short scale like Mike's, the graphite may be all the way to the battery compartment if it's not relocated.
 
If you played this instrument, you would immediately notice that the neck is really narrow.  There were different molds for 4-, 5-, and 8-string necks and in different scales.  As was the style back in the late 70's or early 80's when the molds were made, then neck is really narrow and thick.  Had I known this at the time, I would have had a 4-string built on the 5-string neck blank. The narrow width of the neck is why there are side laminates on the neck - I don't think most of the graphite Alembics have these.  
 
The way that the neck heel was shaped is sort of unbelievable and totally Alembic.  A piece of walnut was bonded on to the graphite, and somebody hand shaped this thing with a grinder.  The walnut is a soft hardwood; the graphite is like grinding a block of cement.  You only get one shot or the whole thing is destroyed and this is perfect.  
 
This was part of why graphite necks went out of production. Graphite is hard to work on because you have to make a lot of final decisions before you fabricate the neck and many different tools and techniques are required.  The neck blanks were fabricated at Modulus and sometimes the neck assembly was done at Modulus, other times at Alembic. There's a very high headache quotient here.
 
I had this one built for me, so it's never been in a store.  This bass was finished in 1987, well over a year in construction.  By this point in time, the typical Series features were changing a bit, and I had them build this for me in the old style.  I think a regular Series bass from that period had a slightly longer upper horn for better balance, but this is the original shape.  Also, this instrument has a slightly thinner body than older and newer Series basses which I believe was also typical for that time and wasn't easily changed.  Most of the new instruments had a gloss finish, but I went with old school matte on this (handling wear has made it part shiny, part matte today).  It seemed like there was some evolution of the body shapes that was reversed back out by the 1990s.
 
I was given one of the original Modulus through-body neck molds for a different bass (Moonstone).  I'll see if I can dig it up and you can see what the graphite in the through-body section looks like.  
 
David Fung

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 12:04:34 AM »
I agree with Jimmy about graphite on a fretless.  I had a Status Series II fretless and it was fantastic for solos.  I also had a Travis Bean TB2000.  It was the heaviest bass I ever owned.  I did not find that it moved with temperature changes, though.  It was solid as a rock.  The problem was that it stayed as cold as an ice cube in the winters of Chicago, and didn't really begin to warm up until the gig was about done...  It did have a pretty gnarly slapped tone, though.  And the koa was beautiful.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 07:18:43 PM »
I had a Modulus TBX 5 (carbon fiber neck-through) with quilted maple over alder and EMG guts. It sounded great through a MESA 400, but awfully lacking in character through any solid state rig. When it was stolen, they built me another TBX with cocobolo over mahogany and EMG DC guts. It was better, but still not soulful. I traded it on a Zon Sonus, and it was a vast improvement toward a sound that was pleasing to me.  
 
The lesson there is that the rest of the construction matters and you can't generalize about graphite.  
 
Also, as much as I love Alembic electronics above all others, I don't think any of the composite-necked basses I have owned would have sounded better with them. The clarity would have made the Modulus basses that much more sterile, and I think part of the character of the Zon comes from the Bartolini internals. The cleaner and more accurate Alembic guts might not sound as warm.

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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2010, 11:14:08 AM »
Hey David,  The back of my '82 looks a lot like yours except that all the electronics are in one compartment:

 The front differs a bit though...

 Here's my main fretless, 1980 vintage:

 Oddly, you can see the neck on the back of this one:

 Plus, both these basses have a short "cone" headstock which I requested so I could fit them into the flight cases I still use:

  Bob, that's interesting about your two Modulas basses being so different. Certainly the rest of the construction effects the outcome and every single piece of wood is different from another.  My 3 fretted basses are as identical as they could be but they all sound different - to me anyway.  And the fretless basses share the same body woods but with graphite necks. The '82 began life with frets so I had a direct comparison to its otherwise identical wood-necked brothers.  That's what led me to conclude that the compression effect I describe could only have been a result of the neck being a stiff beam of graphite. I would think that especially on through-neck instruments the neck material would have a huge effect.  We'll have to get Mica to build some necks with no bodies attached so we know what's happening.  Ha!  When you use terms like "soulful", "character", and maybe even "warmth", it's like talking about professional audio gear:  If you want to add "color" to the sound you get a Chandler Germanium preamp.  If you want nothing added you get a GML mic pre, etc, etc.  I think of the Series electronics as great sounding wide-band, high-gain, low-noise rigs.  To me the basses sound very natural, almost like acoustic instruments.  That's not what everybody is looking for of course, YMMV, but I'm completely stuck on the tone and have been fortunate to be able to fit the sound into many different musical situations.  Cheers, Jimmy J

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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2010, 12:02:28 PM »
Jimmy  
 
What kind of bridge is on those?
 
(Message edited by FunkyJazzJunky on May 24, 2010)

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2010, 12:04:12 PM »
Jimmy,
 
I don't think I've ever noticed those bridge/tailpieces before.   Looks like an Alembic bridge mounted over the top of a larger brass plate that works as the tailpiece?
 
Care to explain?
 
Toby
EDIT:  Vann beat me to it!  
 
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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2010, 05:04:04 PM »
Nothing gets by my Alembic brothers!  
 
Yes, semi-experimental bridge/tailpiece combo designs on double size blocks.  Here's a closeup of the '80:
 
Note the crazy J shaped slots for the Superwound strings whose original adjustable balls were threaded brass tubes with two allen screws tightened from either side to pinch the string in the center.  Combined with the semi-destroyed SLOTTED bridge mounting screws, bowing backplate and block trying to pull itself out of the bass, the whole thing looks pretty crude.  But it has worked OK for 30 years...
 
I tried again with the '82, which as you see was built for different strings:
 
Only trouble here was that extra philips-head screw meant to hold the block down is anchored into wood in what is normally the battery compartment so the batteries are actually stuffed in with the board and wiring harness.  That's what I get for going a bit crazy with the design ideas...
 
Jimmy J

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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2010, 05:13:00 PM »
Those are some beautiful woods!

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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2010, 06:28:20 PM »
WOW JIMMY!  
 
Thanks for sharing those pics. Really, WOW!  
 
I really like your bridge designs!!!!  
 
But, why are the rail and intonation screw reversed on string 5 of your '82????  

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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2010, 09:33:32 PM »
Jimmy, Have you ever played a Hyak with the Graphite Laminates sandwitched between layers of wood? And if so, how different do you think they feel? I guess this question goes to all who might have both or played both types of instruments. These are some beautiful basses! Thanks for sharing!
 
 
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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2010, 09:55:44 PM »
Thanks Dave, yeah they used some nice pieces!
 
Mike, I think the reason was because the end plate / tailpiece made it too difficult to get to the intonation screws, even with a ball driver, and there was slightly better access from the pickup side.  Then if I remember correctly, the B-string saddle ended up so close to the frame of this contraption that there wasn't room for the tuning screw nut, so they had to swap the rail and screw positions for only that saddle...  Crazy!
 
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2010, 10:34:13 PM »
Jimmy, I know it's tough to use those subjective terms. There's a certain tonal characteristic associated with a guitar or bass. I was traveling when I came across the first Modulus and made the mistake of demoing it through a Mesa 400 and 2x15 cab. The rig had so much color that it hid the fact that the bass had none of its own. Even unamplified, the instrument would sustain for days, but the tone was uninspiring.  
 
It was after that experience that a primary test of any new instrument for me was born. I universally stick my ear to the body of the instrument and play. If I like that sound, then I probably have a winner. If I don't, then no amount of electronics are going to make it right. They can make it workable, but they can't make it right.

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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2010, 10:46:36 PM »
Nick, no, I don't think I've ever seen a Hyak in person but they look pretty interesting.  Graphite as a structural laminate makes sense - stiff but still mostly wood.  No truss rod is a bit scary though.  Your initial action setup decisions need to be kinda permanent...
 
Jimmy J