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blackelan

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Best effects for a bass? Rack or pedals?
« on: March 06, 2009, 04:08:45 AM »
For my guitar stuff the TC electronics G Major works great for most things with a nice preamp.
 
For the bass are pedals the way to go? I have not heard of any great all in one units for the bass like they have for the guitar.
 
When I say effects I mean Delay, Flanger, Reverb, tremolo and distortion to name a few. I have a Digitech bass whammy for the pitch shifting.

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 06:26:12 AM »
I don't use a whole lot of effects but My BassPodXT Live works real well for me. I like chorus and reverb and the amp modeling is pretty good too.
I've never been a fan of stomp boxes, for guitar or bass. Every guitar I've ever worked with ends up having trouble with the patch cables or power supplies or extreme volumes boost. That's why I like the all in one units.
I looked at the ART system way back when for bass but never tried it. I think Flip uses an Art, I may be wrong though.
 
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 09:30:49 AM »
i just got a amt communist pig bass distortion pedal, and it's the best pedal i've ever used. i've never been a fan of all in one pedals, because it seems like all the effects just end up being okay, not great.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 09:38:47 AM »
I've used many FX pedals with my series bass with success. I like to run most FX on one channel and leave the other, usually the bottom end clean and dry.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 12:01:34 PM »
Reverb?  Why are you using reverb on bass?
 
Individual pedals are the way to go.  They sound better and offer much easier on the fly adjustments.
 
What I have:
overdrive/distortion: ZVex Woolly Mammoth, Hughes & Kettner Tube Factor
chorus: TC Electronics chorus/flange
synth: Chunk Systems Octavius, Akai Deep Impact
octaver: EBS Octabass
delay: Digitech digital (good for making whale noises...)
envelope: Moog Moogerfooger 101
 
I only have a small subset of all this on my board.  Basically only what I need for my cover band.
 
That Moogerfooger is a bastard to deal with having on a board.  I actually have a multiple loop pedal so I can isolate that pedal to its own loop.  It doesn't have an output level knob and even when it is bypassed you get the gain boost from the input gain stage of the pedal.  Whoever over at Moog who thought that was a good idea needs a punch in the neck.
 
Every guitar I've ever worked with ends up having trouble with the patch cables or power supplies or extreme volumes boost. That's why I like the all in one units.  
I looked at the ART system way back when for bass but never tried it.
 
It is very easy to avoid those problems - use good cables and keep the pedals on a board of some sort so you're not constantly plugging/unplugging everything.  Use a power supply instead of batteries - Godlyke makes a great one (I have two of them).  To avoid the stupid volume boosts/drops?  JUST CHECK EVERY PEDAL AFTER YOU PLUG IN!!!  I'm going to start carrying a brick around with me so I can smash guitar players in the face with it when they step on a pedal and suddenly are 4x louder.  All you need to do is check every pedal really quickly and make sure no knobs got bumped during transit.  Easy.  Make the adjustments and you don't wind up looking (and sounding) like a complete jackass on stage.
 
Those ART Nightbass things sound awful.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2009, 12:06:45 PM »
i have the pod xt and also bought a chorus pedal
maybe i am old fashioned but i just like the old fashioned alembic sound
 
if anyone is interested in my pod- shoot me an email

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2009, 12:23:55 PM »
I had a type-o it should have read, ...I like THE chorus and reverb on the Basspod..... and I really only use effect very minimal effects and usually not when I'm playing live mostly just kickin' aroud the house.  
BUT if I'm taking a lead, which I do on occasion I may insert a very light plate reverb and kill a lot of the lows. We've been having lead guitar problems at church, (not showing up), and I actually play more lead fills and such.
 
But 95% of the time I'm a straight clean sound  NO distortion big bottom end player!
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2009, 01:20:22 PM »
Bass People is co-ordinating a series of bass effects shootouts for Australian Guitar magazine (which has a bass supplement).
 
Last edition we tested about ten envelope followers. For classic P-Funk vibe the winners were the Q-Tron (the full size model) and the Mutron III+. For a more organic vibe the EBS Bass IQ was worth considering. For versatility the Agent 000 Funk.
 
Next edition is bass distortion / overdrive. We have tested 20 pedals in what I think is the largest shootout of its kind ever attempted.
 
The top 3 overall were: Big Muff Pi, Moollon Bass Driver, Tech 21 XXL Bass Edition
 
Judged on sound alone the top 2 were: Aguilar Agro, E-H Graphic Fuzz. Coming in equal third were: Aguilar Tone Hammer, Xotic BB Bass Pre, MXR Bass DI+, T.Rex Bass Juice, GK Diesel Dawg
 
Regarding Chorus, I have personally tried a few and like the TC Electronic Stereo Chorus Flange.

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2009, 05:02:35 PM »
maybe i am old fashioned but i just like the old fashioned alembic sound
 
That's how I feel about bass in general - my Alembics or any other bass I own.  I only use effects when I'm emulating what the original recording had going on.  On any average 3 set (~45 songs) night I'll use effects on less than 10 songs.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2009, 05:08:30 PM »
I use a bass pod XT all night long, but with minimal effect.  There are four slightly modified presets that pretty much cover it for me.  One of them has a little chorus on it and they all have some amount of compression.  The rest is just amp/cab emulation.  A couple songs a night I'll turn on a POG for eight string simulation, but that's about it these days.  
 
I have a spare Bass Pod XT as well if anyone is looking for one.
 
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2009, 06:56:21 PM »
i agree with Brian. I am kind of a purist when it comes to sound.  I will use a chorus pedal once in awhile, depending on the show. But, have gotten the most compliments about my sound using straight Alembic. John

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 07:07:18 PM »
i think it depends on the situation. playing completely improvised music, i need (read: want) pedals to make crazy sounds and create textures that i can't get without them.  that being said, if i were to play a gig that didn't necessarily require pedals or crazy noises, i'd agree that i prefer the sound of my alembic or whatever bass i'm playing by itself. that's why i bought them in the first place.

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2009, 10:55:40 PM »
I think for a straight clean tone you cant beat a Alembic in a Ampeg SVT II pro and thats it.
 
Since I am into Metal and rock I do want to have a variation in effects and I plan on doing a ton of covers as well.
 
Thanks for the replies.  
 
I will be building up my pedal board since it seams the only true way to go with the bass effects. I already have a Made in Japan Boss Flanger pedal and am looking for a Boss DD3 MIJ pedal as well to compliment it.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 05:27:19 PM »
For what it's worth.
 
I use a Lexicon MPX1 rack mount multi-effects controlled by a Yamaha midi controller pedal board.
 
I have five basic patches that I have set up, and each has its own foot switch.  The differences between the five are that two are flanges and three are choruses.
 
There is another foot switch that turns the flange/chorus on or off for any of the patches.
 
There is another switch that chooses between two different reverb settings for all five patches.  I always have one or the other of the reverbs on all the time.
 
There is another switch that turns delay on or off for all patches.
 
And one that turns vibrato on or off for all patches.
 
The board also has a pedal that I've patched as a volume pedal.
 
Personally, it think all sounds pretty good.  The tune I linked to a few weeks ago had reverb, chorus, delay, and vibrato, all of which was a bit too much.  If I record that tune again, it probably won't have the vibrato.
 
The system was very difficult for me to set up; and now that it's working I hesitate to make any changes.
 
I may at some point patch in another pedal to control the delay speed, and maybe one to control the amount of delay as well.  Etc.
 
Of course, as mentioned above, it depends on what you are playing.  And I'm not playing metal, or even rock.  All of the stuff I'm working on right now is solo oriented where I'm doing a lot of chordal things and playing way up on the neck.  And it's a steep learning curve; I still can't play any of the songs consistently well enough to take them out in public.  And there's still not enough material to do a two hour set.  I have a lot of work to do.  But I think it sounds pretty good, and should work well for a solo coffee house gig ... some day.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2009, 07:59:52 AM »
Only thing I use is a chorus pedal and a tuner, which doubles as a standby switch when changing basses.