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pauldo · « **Reply #30 on:** June 11, 2009, 08:18:20 PM »

oh yes,,, I didn't recognize the spelling
Thanks for jogging the memory Bill ~
Mee-cho-a-kahn - sweet indeed :-)

basstard · « **Reply #31 on:** June 15, 2009, 06:02:35 AM »

This is delicate matter but... yes, I agree. Much of the stuff made is China is below any quality standards and some of it is dangerous. That's one of the reasons why I steer clear of Chinese products whenever I have the choice (let me repeat that - whenever I have the choice; more often than not, especially in case of simple electronic devices, I don't, as China seems to have monopolyzed the morket in several areas of industry). The other reason is the way Chinese workers are treated. Such thing as labour law does not exist there. People are paid starvation wages for working 12+ hours a day in dangerous conditions (safety devices are often removed from the machines in factories as they slow down the production process). Personally, I think it's one of the reasons of poor quality of Chinese goods.

Funkyjazzyjunky -
I will never buy a bass made anywhere but the USA

Well, there are many great instruments made all around the world: Status and Wal basses made in the UK, Ritter and Schack from Germany, Vigier from France, there are also several great luthiers in Poland (I had a Nexus bass made by Jacek Kobylski - it was a great instrument, I recorded 3 albums with it and never heard a word of complaint from recording engineers, it was also amazingly comfortable to play), even such popular brands from Japan like Yamaha or Ibanez released series of truly great instruments (older Yamaha BB, Ibanez Musician and Roadster/Roadstar... I had one of the latter, I liked it a lot, it was a great yet unexpensive bass)... So - while we all know that the USA is the home of the greatest number of premium quality instrument builders - you shouldn't count out basses that are made abroad ;-) But yes, I won't buy a bass or an amp made in China - for reasons I've stated above.

Does it make any sense?...

gtrguy · « **Reply #32 on:** June 15, 2009, 08:57:46 AM »

I stopped by two weeks ago to see a good friend of mine who has won the guitar fingerpicking championship in the USA a couple of years ago. He was recording his next CD with a high end Eastwood guitar made in China using two mics made in china on a laptop made who knows where. He told me it was one of the best sounding guitars he has played.

Some of the parts in my series one are not USA made either, for what it's worth.

gtrguy · « **Reply #33 on:** June 15, 2009, 09:00:18 AM »

I stopped by two weeks ago to see a good friend of mine who has won the guitar fingerpicking championship in the USA a couple of years ago. He was recording his next CD with a high end Eastwood guitar made in China using two mics made in china on a laptop made who knows where. He told me it was one of the best sounding guitars he has played.

Some of the parts in my series one are not USA made either, for what it's worth.

And don't get me started on the tubes in my amps (and yours) and where they come from. Not the USA though, unless they are old ones.

sonicus · « **Reply #34 on:** June 15, 2009, 10:41:56 AM »

TUBES ! The Chinese 6L6 type output tube has a soft vacuum envelope resulting in a mushy high end.

The Russian 6L6 type output tube has a harder vacuum envelope resulting in a harder more defined high end.

If you can find them look for new old stock RCA red label! _____
and then you get made in the USA !

funkyjazzjunky · « **Reply #35 on:** June 15, 2009, 11:20:06 AM »

Made in America = jobs in America

basstard · « **Reply #36 on:** June 18, 2009, 06:31:51 AM »

David - that Eastwood guitar (and the mics and so on) might have sounded great but how long will it last?

I won't mention moral issues again - I've already had my say.

gtrguy · « **Reply #37 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:32:38 AM »

Actually, it's a Eastman, not an Eastwood (my mistake). Still made in China. Well, my friend has Larivee (sp) and Breedlove and several other high end guitars and won another nice one at the fingerpicking competition a couple of years ago. I am going to assume that if they can make them sound great that they also build them to a high standard that will last. I think the two go hand in hand. It was also a 3 - 4K price instrument in US dollars. I played it and it looked built to as high a standard as any I have seen.

I remember this whole discussion about guitars that were made in Japan in the 70's and how they could not be any good. Then George Benson started playing one. My 70's Ibanez Howard Roberts still plays and looks great and I would favorably compare it to most Gibsons I have owned or played.

I just think we live in a global market these days. I also think the high end import guitars may have forced American guitar companys to re-think what they are building and decide to do a better job. I recently bought an Ibanez JEM that I would say is the most accurately built guitar I have ever owned, and I own a lot of guitars.

Bye,
Dave

flaxattack · « **Reply #38 on:** June 18, 2009, 12:41:22 PM »

ok so no offense to anyone. yeah sure
BUT
some of you people are just plain pussies....
if someone- anyone- takes offense to the thread title- then YOU may have an issue and as i said earlier
dont like the thread? then dont post in it.

to insinuate or even hypothesize that i was referring to the chinese as a race is just plain in simple langauge- totally f---d up
as much as i tend to disagree with dave- he got it
why couldnt you?

the theory that you cant offend anyone even in jest anymore makes me sick to my stomach- we've turned into a bunch of pansies who would rather roll over and die then speak the truth.

phylo · « **Reply #39 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:26:35 PM »

Well, when saying the The Chinese you are using Chinese as noun which would refer to the people of that nation. To say Chinese industry regulation would be to use it as a adjective describing industry regulation. So it doesn't require insinuation or hypothesis to see that, whether by accident or on purpose, you are referring to a group of an entire group of people from that nation.

I am not commenting on your intention, only that is reasonable (and grammatically correct) for your title to be misunderstood.

basstard · « **Reply #40 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:32:06 PM »

Jeff - I for one definitely got your point and I agree. I often get told off on my favourite Polish bassists message board for slacking Chinese stuff...

Really. Apart from anything else (appaling quality, poor reliability/durability etc) by buying Chinese, you reinforce their regime. Simple as.

robertodiazj · « **Reply #41 on:** June 18, 2009, 03:12:56 PM »

Ok, but it is diffcult to NOT buy chinese, at this exact moment, I am looking at my Dell monitor made in china, writing on my Dell keyboard made in china, moving the cursor with my Microsoft mouse made in china, next to my Presidian Radio Shack Big Button telephone made in china, also my Apple Ipod is made in china. LOL It is funny to think that in this globalized world a socialist regime is helping capitalist businessmen to cut costs down.

phylo · « **Reply #42 on:** June 18, 2009, 03:38:46 PM »

Apparently, I am also demonstrating my need to prouf read.

gtrguy · « **Reply #43 on:** June 18, 2009, 04:03:09 PM »

I am sure they will sell us the guitar strings we hang ourselves on!!! However, I think the US is well on it's way to socialism at the moment.

At least we also make some of the world's best beer.

David Houck · « **Reply #44 on:** June 18, 2009, 04:06:35 PM »

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