Author Topic: True temperament fretting, anyone tried it yet if not read on (Read 381 times)

john_judge · « **on:** September 23, 2009, 08:32:16 AM »

I met up with a friend of mine from Florida yesterday and he had a guitar with him to show me, all I can say is read on and check out this site! if you haven't heard of this, a lot of the pro's are doing this now, interesting stuff and it really makes a difference! There have been many a nights that my frets looked like this at the end of the night, well maybe the Beer had something to do with it! but never at the beginning of the night, but who knows? hmmm for guitarist and bassist
http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php?go=0&sgo=0

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sonicus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2009, 08:48:15 AM »

Interesting Reading John !

Thanks ____

tom_z · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2009, 12:31:54 PM »

...or, keep your beautiful Alembic neck and fretboard, and practice pulling and/or pushing intervals into just intonation... no doubt easier on guitar than bass.

Here's a nice little piece to help you get started.

sonicus · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2009, 02:02:27 PM »

This is really interesting _ new stuff to learn ( for me )

Thanks ___

cozmik_cowboy · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2009, 06:11:05 PM »

...then the fingerboard senses how hard you're pressing on the string & how far from the fret, and the fret moves to keep it's fancy intonation despite the changes....
Theoretically interesting. Practically, I'll stay old school, thanks.

Peter

crobbins · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2009, 09:03:16 PM »

That's like crazy man...

terryc · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2009, 02:49:48 AM »

Looks like a load of bull to me..classical guitars have had straight frets for ages, so have lutes and either of them didn't have adjustable bridges.
As I said I think it is bullshit to the highest order to get money out of you..so who has made these statements about the playing..anyone famous??
Could you see Stan letting that company do that to his Alembics..I think not.

john_judge · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2009, 04:57:54 AM »

I did get to play on the guitar version Terry and where the A chord versus the D chord and open E chord is concerned and on most guitars where you have to comprise the Tuning some what everywhere I played from open to high end the intonation was Perfect and Yes the non adjustable instruments back in the Days of Ol such as lutes well were just made as perfect as can be, I mean many instruments were discarded back then if the sound was quite right because of no adjustments, So the luthiers of new found ways to still make the sales without the loss by developing adjustments, thus is why you have the old Handmade crafters who put the time in their work and you pay for the cost versus the typical Assembly line.

Segovia The finest Classical Guitarist who ever lived, had some of the best brazilian Rosewood that money could buy and the luthiers would go to the woods locations with tuning forks just to see which piece would resonate the longest and pick that piece for his guitar body just to avoid from having the guitar turned down by him, Fretless is always a great way to go and rely on the human ear to train your hand positions for accuracy , but I was quite surprised by the harmonics and intonation were flawless sounding but paid $700 for the neck that he had replaced on his Strat, right now I am looking at the option for my Raven Bass to be fretted up to the 12th fret and Fretless 13th and up for more solo and harmonic techniques for a six string piccolo. Yep every morning I take a deep breath and in the music industry I can smell a pot of Bullshit brewing like a pot of stench Coffee, but somewhere in the world someone is going to drink that cup and say it's the best Cup of Bullshit they ever tasted, We just have to ask ourselves, 1 or 2 Lumps, Cream or sugar? but whenever something new comes along it is always hard, so I prefer just to sip on it for a while and sit back and wait.

jacko · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2009, 04:58:14 AM »

These frets wouldn't look out of place on one of brian eastwood's creations ;-)

Graeme

bsee · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2009, 04:21:04 PM »

Personally, I think this would suck unless your entire band adopted it. There could be some keys where you are playing and the instruments are intentionally out of tune with each other by enough to sound out of tune. Also, you would think they'd tune pianos that way if it were truly better.

john_judge · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2009, 08:23:33 PM »

Yeah it's all interesting theory, I guess time will tell to see if it takes off like the Cassette tape to CD deal, I know one thing it takes a major change to really shift the face of tradition, but I sure wish I had all those acoustic instruments that got thrown away because of intonation problems, I mean luthiers back in the day when they made lutes and other string instruments, many were rejected, including Harpsichords, Bach suppose to have went through 23 of them until he found 3 that he loved, due to tone and tuning issues and plucking problems, it be nice to have one of those twenty and a few Lutes etc...many times they were scraped for parts or sold to peasants of villages for a lesser price, I can really dig listening to a Lute, Harpsichord, Harp, flute and even a Hurdy Gurdy can take you back to some simple times and help take your worries away, sort of like Gregorian chants are so mystical and soothing with the natural reverb of the Halls..

I am planning to take a trip possible to Europe by way of England, Scotland then Germany next year Late summer/early Fall and I hope to meet up with a few members over there and also I am looking to purchase a Lute while there.

sonicus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2009, 08:49:36 PM »

I know a LUTE player over in Marin county in California . I help him with his Protools system . He is also an ace antique car refurbisher.He helps me with my old truck We trade labour and craft skills a bit . I am going to play Bass on one of his 'Early Music ' projects as well. It will be a bit of ' Early music fusion.

terryc · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2009, 02:05:19 AM »

John.. if you get to england let us know and all the UK members can maybe arrange a meet.

jacko · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2009, 02:13:34 AM »

Ditto when you get to Scotland John.

Terry, on the subject of meeting up, are you planning on heading over to Manchester for Bass Day on the 22nd November? There's a prett cool line up of artistes this year including Adam Nitti, Nathan East and poogie Bell.

Graeme

adriaan · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2009, 04:02:41 AM »

quote:Also, you would think they'd tune pianos that way if it were truly better.

Roland makes the C-30 electronic harpsichord with a couple of built-in tuning schemes or temperaments - equal temperament, Werckmeister, Kirnberger, Vallotti and Meantone. These are a couple of ways how they tuned pianos before the well-tempered system was developed, and IIRC they are all mathematics-based.

I remember playing on a predecessor of that C-30 many years ago. Those old tuning schemes are just not very successful at catering for the different keys. Some keys will just go completely goofy in some temperaments ...

From the TT samples, I thought it all sounded a bit on the flat side.

With some lutes, the frets are strings of gut wrapped around the neck, so you can change the intonation ...

The curly fret is not an entirely new idea - I think Yamaha used a simpler version on some models, for a small number of frets.