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briant

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2009, 12:48:24 PM »
If you're not doing it for the money - why bother?  Meaning if you don't need to play to earn a living you can pick and chose to your heart's content.  Life is too short to play a gig you aren't into.

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2009, 07:17:22 PM »
Jazzyvee, I'm sure many (if not most) of us have faced this quandary at some point.  There is no universal answer.  Yeah, I'd be more likely to play crap with cherished friends of 30 years than with total strangers, for instance.  
 
At the same time, the caliber of musicians I'm playing with is just as important if not more so than whether or not I like the music.  We should be able to come away with something unique from each other.  Sometimes (usually?) I'm the weak link and the others are patient enough to help me.  But on rare occasions the tables are turned and I bring something new and unique.  In like fashion, others could potentially be moved by your musicallity to re-evaluate what they're doing and where they are and decide to elevate their whole approach.
 
Then again, maybe not!  My 1 1/2 cents...Good Luck!!!!

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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2009, 06:55:22 AM »
Well thanks guys there is certainly food for thought in the thread. In the past I was very much living my dream by touring etc whilst still holding down a full time job which paid my bills, so I became thick skinned and just did the gigs and rehearsals but nothing else.  However this time round I've got a lot more experience as a band leader under my belt and am a lot more savvy and  confident in discussing what I hear from the musicians around me in order to improve or add variety to the band output.
 
So I will take up the invitation to work with the band if it is going to be a positive experience overall. Yes we can all learn from any musical situation good or bad but If it looks like things are going to be as negative as before then there is no point in me going there.  
 
I certainly will let you know what happens when we start rehearsals.
But I'm confident there are more opportunities to be taken.
 
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2009, 07:13:22 AM »
Best of everything while you venture this path!

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2009, 11:11:42 AM »
If it is a choice between playing something I dislike, and not playing, I would bite the bullet.

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2009, 03:15:56 PM »
jazzyvee..you will have to let us know the outcome and your views..it is valuable info for everyone here who will no doubt come across a situation like that.
Right now I am on cloud 9 as the Salsa/Jazz outfit I am in are great guys and rehearsals are a joy..we have a big gig coming in Durham where it is a salsa evening(lots of very fit women!!).
The tunes have loads of great rhythms and the trumpet player doubles up on trombone.
Then there is the blues rock band in which we are diversing but not losing the plot. we did 'Politician' by Cream which I have never played but in our style.
Keep us posted mate, interesting thread you started here

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2009, 07:56:00 PM »
One of my bands once did the Robben Ford version of Politician; fun tune to play!

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2009, 02:31:13 AM »
I really agree with what John had to say about being into the music and having it show in your performance. You might get away with recording something you aren't into, but it's hard to have any stage presence playing something that bores you or, worse, sickens you. You have to put yourself in the moment when performing live. Enthusiasm and positive vibes are contagious, but so are the negative emotions.

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2009, 06:06:26 PM »
Of course if I were single and the band attracted lots of groupies .... hehehehe
 
Bill, tgo
 
LOL! Bill, you haven't changed ;)
 
To the original post: No, I would not play with a band if I didn't like what they play. I don't like just going through the motions playing. I need to feel it, groove to it and just generally get into it.
 
Paul TGO

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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 12:33:49 PM »
I knew there was a reason I earlier only added 1 1/2 cents to this discussion.  I had intended to include this but inexplicably left it out.  I?ve been hooked on jazz fusion since I first heard Mahavishnu in the early 70?s.  But sometime between 1978 and 1982, at the behest of a friend I played bass in a gospel group backed up with some other young musicians with progressive leanings.  As a rhythm section we brought a super intense, hard-edged funky swagger to the music that provided a unique counterpoint to our 15-piece choir as the members swayed and moaned in the background and while our charismatic singer crooned on top of everything.  This jazz-gospel-funk fusion of primarily original material was novel at the time - at least in Oakland/Richmond - and we were gradually creating a buzz playing churches and even at a huge gospel festival in Las Vegas.
 
A local entrepreneur had the clever idea to open a religious nightclub in Richmond featuring non-alcoholic drinks, among other things.  As part of their grand opening celebration they presented a bevy of gospel bands, including us.   Our singer/leader, suddenly fearful that the audience might not be open to our progressive style of music, got cold feet and insisted we drop most of our trademark stuff and instead concentrate on older, slower and more traditional gospel songs like the other bands on the bill would presumably be playing.  Some of us thought we shouldn?t be downplaying the very things that made our group unique in the first place. Also for the gig, to augment our sound he unilaterally brought in a bunch of his older gospel buddies who were more aligned with the traditional stuff and their presence further polarized the situation.
 
For the big night, we were slated to perform second. Our singer and I took a seat at a front table to take in the opening act, expecting to hear something tradition-steeped like ?Precious Lord? ? similar to what we were going to play.  Instead, the very first band?s very first number was a smokin? breakneck tempo version of Birdland ? complete with Jaco-isms!  The rest of their set had the same take-no-prisoners style that was really us, too.  Only the audience would never know it.  Fortunately, there was no tableware handy or I mighta? stabbed our singer (just kidding)...but rest assured I DID give him a big piece of my mind!
 
I struggled through our set, barely able to control myself.  It was the last time I played in that band. Though I?m not a gospel fan (no offense; none taken!), it had been worthwhile for the experience of fellowship and camaraderie within the band and the energy behind the music for me to stay on. But no longer.
 
The moral, for me, is that no matter what type of music you play, be true to it and never pander to your own fears and assumptions regarding the audience.  Do what you do best and at least you?ll know you put your best foot forward.  Let those other chips fall where they may.

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2009, 01:52:10 PM »
Flat out -- No!
 
Being a musician for me, was never a choice of consequence of life or making music. Nor was it necessary to build a musical career perpetuating a mind set of sounds, that perpetuates a environment which I find displeasing and totally un-healthy. What a paradoxical life I would have, if I ignored such ironies and continue a pattern of hypocrisy.
 
Fearing poverty is no excuse for me. My faith help me pass this test question with flying colors. This is not even a battle for me. There are other musical challenges placed be for me to resolve.
 
I believe one should never compromise their core values. In fact the more important your values are, the more you should compete against those things that prevent your values from shining. Get that Monkey off your back... and out of your closet.
 
If I went against my standards, you would see me supporting Fenders.  
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on November 15, 2009)

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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2009, 02:45:21 PM »
very nicely put Sam, along the path of musical righteousness the road always seems to split at the intersection of life , commercial, the audience, making a living and what you really want to play, sadly most of the time,  what we all really want to play is captivating only to an audience of one....ourself's...but I really dig playing original's and when you find the right audience the payoff is awesome!

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2009, 03:14:13 PM »
It certainly has been an interesting thread.  However, things still haven't started, no rehearsals or dates for any forthcoming gigs/tours. But if things change I should get another call.
 
 
Thanks for sharing your views & experience.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2009, 05:55:20 PM »
Hey Jazzyvee,
 
Some time ago I was playing in a Billy Joel tribute band. The band had to be note perfect.
 
It was the most boring, uninspiring, restrictive and downright frustrating experience I have ever
had the displeasure to participate in.
I left when the lead singer asked us to call him Billy
 
I think for me at least there has to be the option of cutting loose at a gig, dependent upon
how the punters are reacting and the groove that gets laid down on any particular evening or tune.
 
I also disliked playing out of the real book.
 
I am not saying that I am some sort of inspired player who crafts his way around a melody through the bassline.  
I do like having the option.
 
I believe I am more than a human sequencer and relish the times where instant and spontaneous creativity is allowed to reach the audience.
 
My 2cents worth anyhow.
 
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2009, 01:04:14 AM »
Very interesting thread. My 2 cents is if the money isn't important perhaps you should follow your heart. For me ... I'm 100% into prog-rock and fusion jazz BUTTTTTTTT I've played GB (general business - like weddings) and classic rock in cover bands most of my life because in my neck of New England that's what the accomplished musicians play. I know very few GOOD musicians within a reasonable driving distance (Outside of the city of Boston) who play for their soul, they play to make a living so they don't have to work day jobs, and they want and NEED to play for a crowd, not alone in the basement. And I know few if any clubs within a reasonable driving distance that will hire and pay a band to play progressive original music, they want tried and true cover rock music that will attract people so they can sell BEER.  Writing and recording is nice but sometimes you just need to PLAY for PEOPLE and if the only opprotunities that are available are of a style that isn't totally in your heart you need to decide if it's worth it for you. For ME it was worth it for a long time because 1. I made good steady money and 2. although the style wasn't totally representative of me I was proud of how polished and professional the bands I played in were. So it was a compromise, life is full of them. Right NOW I'm enjoying NOT working every single weekend in bands and spending time writing and recording original PROG-ROCK but the truth is I do miss the fun and challange of putting on a GOOD SHOW in a good live band and getting all that attention. Soooooo I guess the questions I would ask is what will you get out of doing it and what will you give up? (And we're not talking about money) Sometimes a musician just needs to gig and sometimes that means swallowing ones pride a little ... it's that simple.  
 
Good luck!