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toma_hawk01

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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 03:19:19 PM »
Jaco had never gone Hollywood (ego tripped), and could have... (but didn't).
 
From the bass he played an old beat-up Fender he played... (Humble)
From the clothes he dawned... (Humble)
From the people he played with:
1. Wayne Shorter... (A Humble Soul)
2. Josef (Joe) Zawinul... (A Humble Soul (MHRIP))
3. Peter Erskine... (A Humble Soul)
4. Joni Mitchell... (A Humble Soul) (Humble music).
 
Jaco's love ran very deep with me as a bass player, and there was not one bass trick, he didn't share and teach others openly (That's humble too).
 
Rhetoric alone, is great for politics, but Jaco was too good to be into the game for himself or for selfish reasons.  
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-
 
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 02, 2010)

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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 04:35:08 PM »
Edwin, you saw Jaco at the Shadows and Light tour? Man what an experience it must have been...  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doaqKPVcoPs

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 04:48:13 PM »
All I can say about it was that when the album and video came out, I was deeply disappointed. That performance seemed hectic and jacked up compared to what I saw. Although it was the Providence Civic Center, it had the feel of an intimate coffeehouse.  Very relaxed and no hype at all. I've come to enjoy Shadows and Light, but I really wish there was documentation of the show I saw. I also heard the Tanglewood show was pretty amazing as well. It was a great summer, a few weeks later I saw Bob Marley at the Harvard Stadium.
 
I saw her again in 1983 on the Wild Things Run Fast tour, which was a very different experience (although I thought that Larry Klein did some very cool things, especially when he copped a lick from Jaco's part in Refuge of the Roads and expanded it into a reggae groove).

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 05:10:25 PM »
All I can say about it was that when the album and video came out, I was deeply disappointed. That performance seemed hectic and jacked up compared to what I saw. Although it was the Providence Civic Center, it had the feel of an intimate coffeehouse.  Very relaxed and no hype at all. I've come to enjoy Shadows and Light, but I really wish there was documentation of the show I saw. I also heard the Tanglewood show was pretty amazing as well. It was a great summer, a few weeks later I saw Bob Marley at the Harvard Stadium.
 
I saw her again in 1983 on the Wild Things Run Fast tour, which was a very different experience (although I thought that Larry Klein did some very cool things, especially when he copped a lick from Jaco's part in Refuge of the Roads and expanded it into a reggae groove).

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 10:51:21 PM »
one time I was at the blue note in NYC seeing charnett moffett. charnett told a story about jaco that went something like this:  when charnett was a kid/teenager growing up in the city he played ball at the famed west 4th street courts (which are right next to the blue note, coincidentally). jaco was known to hang around there and play (and supposedly got the hell beat out of him for bringing a bass and amp and purposely being loud and disruptive one time). charnett said one day jaco showed up while he was there playing with some friends, and charnett (being a huge fan and a young bass player) recognized him and introduced himself. he says jaco basically blew him off and said he wanted to play ball, so of course they let him in the game. so after a while, charnett says he scored on jaco and jaco flipped, just went nuts. ripped charnett's shirt and began telling him there was no reason to play bass as long as he was around and blah blah, etc etc. then he stormed off the courts.  
I should point out that charnett was telling this all in kind of a laughing ( but not kidding) manner, and making it clear how much respect he had for jaco(he actually told the story as a preface to a song he wrote for him). and I should also point out that jaco was deep into his psychological problems at that point. but the point is, I will say jaco is my favorite electric player. period.  but 'humble' is not a word I would use to describe him. in fact his arrogance almost make me like him more. I mean, when he was still in high school he would walk into clubs and go on stage and just take the bass players bass and take over. he was furious when people started saying Stanley was the best.  
guy wasn't a saint, but he was a hell of a musician.

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2010, 11:19:39 PM »
I've never seen a truly first-class player that somewhere inside did not have that 'killer' instinct that would take over a moment when the need arose.  
 
Just like Michael Jordan taking over a basketball game when his instinct told him that this was the moment, great players steer a band almost subconsciously by a presence that most of us mere mortals don't posess.  I've never played in a band with a great player that didn't lift the game of everyone onstage.  Everybody onstage knows where the center is, and often even the audience feels it.  Most us have been there to see and feel this happen.
 
Extremely talented people are often not the most well-balanced people, and given they're 'living the life' surrounded by one bad situation after another, unhappy endings like Jaco's are way too common, and it's a damn shame.
 
The oft-heard comment of It's great onstage, but what do I do the other 22 hours a day would make a great generic epitaph for far too many.  It's enough to make you very certain you would not want to be as succesful as Elvis or Michael Jackson, or in this case, Jaco Pastorius.
 
Also, the state of mental health care is pitiful.  JP was obviously a troubled soul that was not treated, except by his street pharmacists.  Classic self-medication with the usual sad result.  The huge mood swings should have been a red light to any professional, and certainly unsettling to those around him.
 
This is just one more reason I, in fact, have come to often hate the music business, and it's accompanying drug and alcohol culture.  I guess you just can't see the buzzards circling if you're tore down enough.  How come there's not a 'Boot Hill' for musicians?
 
J o e y

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2010, 11:51:43 PM »
Joey, there's no Boot Hill because all troubled musicians think they are rock stars and the people that could help them (like me) know that the time spent on them would be wasted on 99.9% of them. It's a damn freakin' shame indeed.
I hate this ??????? business too and ???? most of the soul robbing bastards in it.

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 07:13:15 AM »
To me Jaco's story is one of many sad stories of an extremely talented person who has some trait that makes life difficult or even tragic.  We hear weekly about people who rise above the field, then show the world that they are just human.  We all have these traits; they just aren't on the tabloid covers.
Any of us who have spent any time in the music biz have a handful of stories about people whose personal demons taken over.  I am dealing right now with a fantastic guitarist who has the alcohol hooks sunk into him.  He is a great guy to hang with, even a pretty humble person most of the time.  When he drinks, Mr. Hyde comes out looking for a fight.  I just avoid conflict if it's possible, but sometimes that's not enough.  I have to let some things go so that a fight is avoided.  I also have to make sure I'm not his whipping boy if he's in a mean mood.  Balancing the two is the difficult part.  He agreed to not drink at gigs (we'll see how that goes after the honeymoon is over).  I try to arrive for rehearsals right after he gets home from work so he doesn't have time to get plastered.
The really sad thing is that a life seems to be circling in the toilet bowl and there's nothing anyone can do.  All we can do is try to support people like him and not lose who we have to be in the process.
Rich

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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 07:38:57 AM »
My First Drummer and best friend ashes were scattered from the Golden Gate Bridge because of drugs and alcohol.  
 
Here's a guy who's a four scholarship Tuskegee University graduate, held a great gig at major electric utility, and mom paid cash for his first house in Pacific Heights -- and on top of that, that MuthaFuu_ ah was BAAAD on the drums too!
 
On the 6th year, I got a call from his mother (her only son) was dead just like that.  
 
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2010, 09:14:13 PM »
To my Drummer, and best friend...RIP
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKm8nCSdN2I&feature=related
 
Peace and Love,
 
Hal-

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2010, 09:03:48 AM »
Have you all checked out the jaco website, has some midi file son there and transcriptions.
Run up Cakewalk and play along(I wish we all could eh??)
Here is the link
http://www.artcom.com.au/jaco.htm
 
Anyone up for the challenge??