Author Topic: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American  (Read 1461 times)

3rd_ray

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2008, 10:29:32 AM »
I'm better off now than I was 8 years ago and the government had nothing to do with it except for staying out of my way. I don't buy the hype around Obama. If he brings people together then more power to him, but until I see that, he's just another politician who played the game and won. If he makes people feel better about themselves, that's fine too. But we'll see how people feel a few years down the road when nothing really changes. The rich will still be rich, the poor will still be poor, and we'll see how many of us still have jobs. Reality trumps nuance.
 
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2008, 10:38:48 AM »
Well said New2 and Flax.  You just engaged in a thoughtful and respectful discourse.  This is really what is missing nowadays.  People can disagree but should't take it so personally.  As far as those at McCain's rally, booig Obama, don't forget the Dems acting likewise for Gore and Kerry.  They booed as well.  Why does one look at the other side's house before cleaning their own?   All political people are guilty of overemotional cheering and booing.  We need to get back to the thoughtful exchange of ideas.  What about the extreme left or right right that have used the radio or the internet to wish death to those who oppose their views.  This disturbes me more than anything else.  I'm a fiscal conseravtive, and social issue moderate, but I appreciate that so many new voters accepted the responsibility to vote. I hope this is not just a one shot deal; our vote is by far the most precious thing we get as citizens. My feeling is that Obama is extremely bright, I just disagree on his approach to many matters.  That does not mean the issues he raises are not relevant, it's more a matter of do you use Tylenol, aspirin or a prescription to cure your headache?  I also own a small business, and know that you cannot build a business from the bottom up, because there are only so much in resources you have. My only hope in continues and is not connected to who is running.  Finally, I prefer  to share wealth with those who at least attempt to contribute to society in some fashion rather than just expect the governmnent to subsidize them.  When you get something for free, you do not appreciate is as much as when you pay for it.  There is no constitutional right to a big screen TV or an Alembic, much as we all would agree on the latter.  Now I'll go back to my Alembics, and the other toys.  May America prosper and find ways to advance our freedom and lifestyles!

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2008, 11:37:04 AM »
I didn't start this thread as a political statement.  Notice, my original post had no partisan content.  Rather, after the problems with vote counting that went on in 2000 and 2004, and all the rhetoric of the past two years of campaigning, it was good to see a lot of people come out and vote and have their votes counted, regardless of who won.  The thing I am proud of is the process, not necessarily the outcome.  (I'm not complaining about the outcome either, it is just irrelevant to the point I was trying to make).   I'm especially proud of the advances this country has made - from the abomination of slavery all the way to the reality that a person of color can be elected by popular vote to the highest position in the land - all in about 150 years.  That's demonstrable evidence that the system can work.  For that I am proud.  That's enough for me, at least until January 20th.
 
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2008, 12:17:40 PM »
hmmm...
 
Can we talk about pornos instead??? or ganja?

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2008, 12:45:37 PM »
I am very proud and blessed to be an American.  
 
I am especially proud today
 
Since this is a Miscellaneous section of the site and since the stated rules do not prohibit political speech, we can talk about whatever subject we wish.  That is the benefit of living in a free country.  
 
(Message edited by FunkyJazzJunky on November 05, 2008)

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2008, 01:02:05 PM »
With all due respect Bill, I believe that you DID start this thread as a political statement.  I agree that your initial post had no partisan content...but the inference is undeniable.  Nothing like a little plausible deniability, eh?

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2008, 01:25:59 PM »
Paul:
 
With all due respect, you are wrong.  Those who have been around here for a while know that I don't usually pull punches.  My politics are well known in these parts and I'm not hesitant to jump into the fray, respectfully and civilly, when political issues have reared their heads.  I meant no inference, merely as I explained 4 posts above.  If you can't, or won't accept this, perhaps you should youtube McCain's speech from last night.  He comes across to me as a very honest and decent man who, at the end of the day,  puts the greater good before his own personal agenda.
 
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2008, 01:41:15 PM »
Bill,
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the real reason all the talking heads have such high regard for McCain today is because he lost last night.  Had he won, somehow I don't think you'd be characterizing him as a very honest and decent man, who at the end of the day, puts the greater good before his own personal agenda.  
 
At any rate, I think this thread demonstrates why politics and religion are topics best left to other sites.

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2008, 01:45:42 PM »
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2008, 01:46:34 PM »
IMHO it has nothing to do with money, taxes, debt, war, fairness, the inherent nature of politics and politicians, race, age, or how good you look in a suit. What matters is that our Commander in Chief be able to string together a series of coherent words, properly pronounced, that form a recognizable paragraph, that actually MEANS SOMETHING! A trait that has been conspicuously lacking for some years now. If nothing else, our President elect can speak publicly without making me cringe, and that's enough for me..........

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2008, 01:48:02 PM »
Im proud to be an Alembican.  
 
 
 
you guys crack me up....  
I'll be looking forward to a repeat of this thread, verbatim, later on at band practice.....  
 
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2008, 01:54:51 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the real reason all the talking heads have such high regard for McCain today is because he lost last night. Had he won, somehow I don't think you'd be characterizing him as a very honest and decent man, who at the end of the day, puts the greater good before his own personal agenda.  
 
Actually, his thoughtful concession speech lowered my regard for the man. Where was this person during his campaign?!? His concession speech just highlights how disingenuous his campaign was, what a tool......

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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2008, 02:06:03 PM »
Just because this is the Miscellaneous section we do not have the right to talk about anything we wish. We do not own this board and are guests of the Wickershams. Moderator Dave has outlined expected behavior in the Posting Guidlines. In particular this,
 
- Avoid using language that others may find offensive. Other people will find offensive, remarks that are degrading sexually, that are ethnically or racially oriented, that are patently political, or that may present some particular religious view. Many people find vulgar language to be distasteful.
 
While I don't see anything overly political by the OP it obviously was by other people. I feel one of the things that has kept this board civil and friendly  was the lack of partisanship that has become so prevalent in the US. It is best that we keep it this way.  
 
On a personal note I to am proud of this election. After many years of apathy and non-voting by our citizens this election has brought many people back into the process. It has always been my opinion that the only way for a democracy, in any form, to stay healthy is to have as many of its citizens as possible actively involved. This is without regard to them agreeing or disagreeing  with my political stand.  
 
Well time to get off of my soap box as the election is over and the decisions made.  
 
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2008, 02:14:15 PM »
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Re: Tonight I'm Proud To Be An American
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2008, 02:21:08 PM »
I always thought BOTH of them were tools. I liken them to box end wrenches with rounded off ends.
 As McCain was giving his speech it reminded me of a scene from the second Godfather film. It was the one where the Cuban president was giving his resignation speech and upon his conclusion the rebels invaded the grand ballroom taking party goers prisoner.