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« on: February 17, 2008, 11:50:40 AM »
I'm getting to the point where I seriously need to record all the jams that I do, So I'm thinking about a condenser mic/converter/computer combo.  My question is what sort of condensers / usb converters do the members here use for recording their jams; i'm looking for something something affordable yet durable and able to pick up the best tone out of my bass.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 12:02:23 PM »
Radio Shack, of all places, sells a nice little mic that's designed for meetings and such that sounds quite good.  A pair of those through an Onkyo usb hub with audio ins/outs is what I have used to record big bands and such with great results.  I think any of the cheap usb audio adapters likely use the same chip inside..
 
A guitarist I play with has a little all-in-one Edirol unit that sounds pretty good and easy as pie to use..
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 02:47:48 PM »
You might want to look into one of the newer all in one recording units. Some of them have good built in mics that will make a great recording. Most of them have USB connectors so you can directly connect your computer or you can use a card reader. I've heard good things about the Zoom H2. I have an M-Audio Microtrack, which is OK, but there are probably better options for the money.
 
For my personal recordings I use a pair of Rode NT5 mics into a Metric Halo 2882 for general knock about recording  and for more serious work I use AKG 414s into a Grace Design preamp. I should point out that my other job is as a location recording engineer, so I have bunch of stuff at my disposal, but the Rode mics are very nice and won't break the bank. Everywhere I've used them, they've done a great job.
 
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 03:17:18 PM »
We recently had a discussion where Bill (lbpesq) bought one of the all-in-ones.  I forget which, might have been the Zoom, but you should be able to find the thread with a search if he doesn't pop in here.  I remember it was able to record four tracks with two mics facing forward and two to the rear.  A pretty cool feature for jams where everyone is around the outside of the space.  
 
Personally, I also have a matched pair of Rode NT5 mics that I like for general stereo use.  They can generally capture a stereo mix into any decent recorder, or work well on acoustic guitar or as  drum overheads if you're trying for something more serious.
 
The all-in-one box has to be the most convenient, though, if you're not looking for a demo to send to the record company.  They also have to be the easiest to set up.  Never an excuse that it was too much trouble to get the recording.  Also, if it sounds good in the room, it should sound pretty good on the machine.  No extra effort, record it and press play.
 
When I really care about the tone of my bass in one of these situations, I like to use something with at least four tracks so I can dedicate one to a bass DI.  That usually involves some amount of mixdown to balance levels, though.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 04:06:14 PM »
Yes, Bill got the Zoom H2.  The guitar player I play with has a Zoom H4.  He recorded one of our gigs, and I thought it sounded pretty good.  If it's helpful, I posted samples in this thread.

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 04:30:34 PM »
These are some great suggestions.  The zoom h2 or h4 sounds like a good bet, but the Rode NT5 is pretty enticing.  The Metric Halo is a bit pricey for me, are there any other converters out there?  Also, I see Rode has some cheaper mics, namely the NT1-A, anyone tried one of these?

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 05:03:40 PM »
There is a slightly related thread here that mentions converters.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 05:38:09 PM »
clap clap clap - woo hoo whistle whistle YEAH!
 
Dave - that was for you and the Equinox solo - that smoked!!!  
 
It sounded like the audience was on another planet -OR- the Zoom H4 didn't pick up the audience very well. :-`

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 05:47:50 PM »
I am planning to add an NT-2a to my gear, primarily for vocals.  The NT-1a is similar, only doesn't do multiple patterns.  I'm not a recording expert, but I'm not sure that a large diaphragm condenser is the right choice for general band recording.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 07:22:58 PM »
Thanks Paul!!

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 07:47:53 PM »
By the way, I am a fan of Sound-on-Sound magazine for recording advice.  I was reading about alternatives as I decide what large-diaphragm condenser to get for vocals.  In particular, you might want to check out this page:
 
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep06/articles/microphones.htm

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 05:15:14 AM »
I just picked up a Sony PCM D50 all in one.  Two adjustable condenser mics, 4 gigs of built in memory, and a very user freindly interface.  New they are kind of pricy ($500.00), but you can find them used for around $300.00.

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 09:01:50 AM »
Just back from a weekend at a hotel where the wi-fi wouldn't connect.  I feel like I was jonesing for this forum!  I did indeed pick up the Zoom H2 after a fair amount of research.  It is one of those situations where, now after living with the unit for a couple of months, I am absolutely, completely, positively sure I made the right choice.  It's small, VERY simple to operate, and produces a fine recording of rehearsals.  It's also great to keep around when I'm messing around on guitar and come up with a new idea for a song - I just turn on the H2 and immediately record the idea before my kid asks me to play video golf and I forget all about it.  I even plug it into my car stereo and start listening to the evening's rehearsal on my way home!  It's great for getting a read on how the band is sounding and whether a particular part I'm trying is working or not.  Simple, small, easy, quality recordings, and CHEAP ($200 new).  What's not to love?
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 06:15:43 PM »
Bill,  
What is the recording capacity (time wise) of the H2?
 
tia

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 08:22:23 PM »
From the product page:
 
The H2 records on Secure Digital (SD) media and a 512MB SD card is included. With a 4GB SD memory card, the H2 provides up to 2 hours recording at 96kHz, 6 hours at 44.1kHz, or up to a staggering 138 hours in MP3. Store your recordings on a PC or Mac with its USB 2.0 interface. And you can use its time stamping function for reference during production. Or use the H2 as a USB Mic for recording directly to a computer.
 
The product page, which has links to the manual:
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1916&brandID=4