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David Houck

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« on: February 15, 2008, 07:07:21 PM »
Hi!
 
If I haven't said so recently, this is a great community and I want to thank all of you for making it so.
 
Please indulge me and take a minute to reread the Posting Guidelines.  It will only take a minute or so, and it won't hurt too much.  Plus, I think there's free pie and hot chocolate when you are all done.
 
I make mistakes.  Lots of them.  We all do.
 
This moderating stuff isn't entirely straightforward; sometimes it's difficult discerning the most appropriate course.  I get email.  Club members point out things that they think I should be aware of, and sometimes they ask me to take action.  I encourage people to email me in such cases; and I am grateful that members care enough about our community to do so.
 
But I do make mistakes.  And I do know that not everyone is always going to agree with my attempts at moderating.  But as clumsy as they may at times appear, they are well intentioned.  I like all of you, and I want to do what I can to make this club a place that all of you find comfortable and enjoyable.
 
A month and a half ago, I edited a post that, within the context of the thread it was posted to, I and others thought was entirely inappropriate.  The member was upset with my editing.  That outcome was, to me, unfortunate because I consider him to be a valued member of our community.  It was not my intention to anger him or to hurt him in any way.  I probably could have tried to address the problem with his post in some other fashion that might have resulted in a better outcome.  I don't know.  I like all of you and have no desire to anger or hurt any of you.  In that particular case, I failed.  It isn't easy to discern the best course; we make mistakes.  (And no, I'm not going to tell you which thread it was; that's not the point here.)
 
This moderating is tricky stuff.
 
I read all the posts.  (Ok, I skim the motorcycle threads, but even then I at least glance at the posts.)  One thing that I see seemingly every day is new members.  Mica and I believe that new members should be made to feel welcome.  And indeed, depending on context, depending on the particular thread, our members here do indeed make new posters feel welcome.  However, sometimes new posters may be, inadvertently, ignored.  It's rare but it happens.  For instance someone may post a question on a subject that most of us may have little knowledge of, and we skip over the thread and hope someone else will post a response.  It happens, I do it.  The question will be about something I know nothing about, and I'm in one of those modes where I'm trying to get through all the posts so I can turn the computer off and go to bed, and I skip over the thread hoping someone else will post an answer to the question.
 
And indeed, there are a lot of people here who seem to go out of their way to respond to and welcome new members; and I just want to let you know that I greatly appreciate it.
 
Many of us have been here a good while now, and we've come to know each other to some degree.  And we know that others have come to know us, have come to know how we post.  We can be brief and to the point because we know that others can fill in the lines.
 
But new members will not be able to fill in the lines.  [note: I have no idea what fill in the lines means; I think I made that up]  Thus it seems important that when responding to a post that we glance at the member's post number shown directly under the username.  If that number is 1 or some similarly small number, it seems reasonable and desireable that care should be taken when responding to the post, and that the member should be welcomed.
 
Again, I make mistakes.  I tend to make lots of short and to the point posts when responding to questions.  Often I know (or perhaps guess might be a better word) that the member I'm responding to has come to know me over time, and I just post a quick and direct answer and move on.  However, it would be my guess that sometimes my posts are a little too direct and quick, and I imagine that includes posts I've made answering questions from new members.
 
Again, I see posts from new members all the time, and I've noticed how we respond to new members in different contexts; and it did seem to me that addressing this topic might be a good idea.  I hope you agree.
 
So, the request here is that when responding to posts made my new members, that we take a little extra time and give some consideration to the fact that they are new here.  New members should be made to feel welcome; that's how we would wish to be treated if we were venturing in to a community for the first time.
 
A quick note on a related topic.  This is a private forum.  You have to be a member to post here.  I think most people would agree that when you are in your own home or workplace that there is some expectation that, no matter how strongly you may believe in free speech, that guests can't just do or say anything they want; that there is some expectation of civility or decorum.  For instance, you invite me to a party at your house; several of your friends and family members are there; there's a general feeling of warmth and comradery; and I suddenly start talking about how silly your religious beliefs are.  In my view, that's not what free speech is about.  So, in my view, this is a private forum, and, in my view, you can't just say or do anything you want here.  I believe there is some expectation of civility and respect.  This is our community.
 
One last note.  The above random thoughts are mine and do not necessarily reflect the views or expectations of Alembic.  While I try to act in my role as moderator in a manner that I think would represent the views and expectations of Alembic, it is entirely possible that I will at times be incorrect in my assumptions.  So anything that I have written here or elsewhere on the site in my role as moderator is subject to correction or clarification by Alembic.  I'm just trying to help out as best I can.
 
I hope you liked the pie and hot chocolate!
 
And if for some reason, perhaps in your haste to discover what out of left field thing that davehouck guy was going to say this time, if perchance you did not stop and read the Posting Guidelines when suggested at the top of this post, you can fortunately do so now by clicking on this link here!
 
Thanks,
 
David

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 07:22:21 PM »
keep up the good works David!
I don't post much, but I've been here since the yahoo days.
 
I never second guess the mods!

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 07:58:53 PM »
I remember the yahoo group.  At the time I was running a current events type of group on yahoo.  The first thing I did when I found the Alembic group was look at every one of the pictures!  I even found a picture of one of my basses posted there; I had just recently purchased it used from an Ebay listing.  I remember thinking how cool it was that Mica was posting there.  It wasn't long after I stumbled across that group that Mica opened this place up.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 08:33:40 AM »
(note to self - put word motorcycle in all thread titles that discuss politics and/or religion)  
 
;)
 
This is a great place, Dave, and you do a great job moderating!
 
John

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 09:46:45 AM »
Hi Dave
 
Thanks for the time and effort you put in for this board.
 
Greg

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 10:44:24 AM »
I appreciate your work, Dave. I value your insight and decorum. (I would tell you that you need to run for political office; but you are too kind for that. The dogs would eat you alive.) There are very few days go by that I don't visit for a while and read many of the posts. I do not, however, serve myself up as a regular poster here anymore. Keep up the superb work, Dave!  Alembics are the best!
 
(Message edited by 57basstra on February 17, 2008)

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 11:12:22 AM »
Dave
You are the BEST!!
I'm sure every regular on the Forum will appreciate your efforts
 
We all love you Buddy
 
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 12:08:40 PM »
Dave,
 
It is a comfort to have your prescence here at the club. Thankyou for the great, and sometimes unappreciated , role that you contribute for us all!
 
And, once more, a big thankyou for making me feel so welcome when I myself joined the club - it makes a difference to experience a warm welcome!
 
John.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 12:52:35 PM »
Dave
 
Well said in your post.  Moderating is definitely not an easy job.  Like anything when it comes to human nature you will find that in most cases all is good, but in some cases you are going to upset someone.  That cant be helped.
 
The written word cannot really express emotion as the spoken word, and 5 people reading the same thing will interpret it in 5 different ways, thats for sure.
 
I was made to feel very welcome by all who posted on my couple of threads just a couple of short months ago.
 
This is a great place full of excellent information that would be hard to find anywhere else.  Your efforts are definitely appreciated.
 
Cheers
 
Richard

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 01:05:47 PM »
Advice, humor, humility, encouragement, support and enthusiasm.
Hallmarks to be sure. Attacks, biting criticism, aggressive retorts and mockery should be avoided. Just as some of the beauty of music is knowing when not to play, sometimes its much better not to post. A little Eastern approach now and then can be a good thing. Perhaps someone could write The Dao of Alembic or Zen and the art of bass maintenance and include a section On posting?
Keep on truckin' Dave! Deep cleansing breaths and soothing tea to you.

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 02:21:24 PM »
Hey Dave,  
 
I wanted to toss in my perspective on your most comprehensive and dare I say it, eloquent post?  ;)
 
You're right, it's tough to be a moderator.  So many different people, so many different personalities, so many mixed variables, phase of the moon, etc. etc, they all play a part in a day in the life.  And, this discussion board *is* a part of a day in the life for each and every individual that either passes through or hangs their hat and stays awhile.  (Why, I seem to remember hearing Bill tgo saying once that he's online every couple of hours or so everyday, and for that matter I've *been guilty* of doing the same.)  ;)
 
Point being, this is a great place.  Invaluable for not only the technical support but even more importantly, the camaraderie and fellowship of a group of people 'come together' to share the commonality of the love and ownership of Alembic instruments.  Fact of the matter is, this is one of the most pleasant and quite often most entertaining of discussion boards I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of.  Let me rephrase that.  This *is* the most pleasant and entertaining online *community* I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of and you the individual and as 'Modder Dave', are absolutely an integral part of it.
 
It's a tough gig being a mod, but you're doing an excellent job in my humble opinion.  Keep up the great work Dave and we'll all help you out as after all, this *is* a community.  
 
With the very best of my regards,
 
Kimberly  

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2008, 04:12:34 PM »
Thanks everybody!!!

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2008, 05:39:54 PM »
You do good work dave, and I like it when you reply to my posts!  Thankyou!!!
 
-Royce
 
P.S.  I know what post you're referring to.  Don't sweat it, that guy was uppety anyway, and it wasn't your fault seeing as how you tried to diffuse the situation, not make it worse.  You can't win'em all, but you can try, and you did!  Thats what's really important, right?  

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 05:46:29 PM »
oh, maybe i don't know what post you're talking about... ; )

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2008, 06:21:04 PM »
P.S. I know what post you're referring to. Don't sweat it, that guy was uppety anyway, and it wasn't your fault...
 
Boy, THAT sure narrows it down a bit!    
 
John