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jacko

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2012, 04:56:16 AM »
About halfway down the wiki entry there's alink to the original 2007 lancet article.  Sometimes wikipedia info is based on real information :-)
 
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p.s. maybe macdonalds should be on there too. very addictive and VERY bad for you.

elwoodblue

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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2012, 06:14:01 AM »
...especially if you are a cow or a chicken :/

tbrannon

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2012, 06:42:51 AM »
McDonalds uses real meat??!!  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2012, 10:51:21 AM »
From the New York Times, March 5, 2012:
 
In Colorado, a proposal to legalize possession of marijuana in small amounts is likely to be on the ballot in November 2012, urging voters to ?regulate marijuana like alcohol,? as the ballot proposition?s title puts it.
 
Here's the link: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/m/marijuana/index.html
 
And also, from the Boulder Daily Camera:
On Jan. 4, 160,000 signatures were submitted to the Colorado Secretary of State that will allow Coloradans to vote on whether we want to regulate marijuana in essentially the same way that we regulate alcohol. Coloradans will have an opportunity to show America how to introduce sanity into our drug policies. Conventional wisdom has it that conservatives will oppose legalization, but I think that's dead wrong. Real Republicans will, without a doubt, support legalization. And, lest you think this simply the fantasy of a libertarian-leaning Boulder Republican, let me point out that Republicans have already shown Coloradans what they think. First, at the 2010 Boulder County Republican Caucuses, a resolution entitled Legalization of Marijuana was voted on by 73 precincts, of which 56 voted for legalization and 17 against -- over 76 percent in favor of legalization. Second, the guy who received the most Republican votes for Colorado Governor in 2010, Tom Tancredo, clearly stated his support for legalizing marijuana. Third, the Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul is a vocal advocate for legalization.  
 
Here's the link to that:
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_19785252

edwin

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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2012, 04:17:31 AM »
I don't think it's going to happen. Regardless of whether or not a state decriminalizes marijuana, it's still against the law federally. That trumps local law. As much as people like to pontificate about states rights, the Constitution is not a treaty. It's the law of the land and gives the Federal Government the last word in things like this.
 
Further, there is the issue of intoxication while driving. The scientists I've talked to who are considered expert witnesses on intoxication in Colorado seem to agree that a blood level of 5ng/ml is definitely indicative of presumptively impairment and that 1ng/ml is most likely impaired. You can have a blood level of 1ng from second hand smoke. You can have a residual background level much higher than that if you are a habitual smoker. If smoke habitually, you can abstain for several days and still have blood levels well above 1ng/ml. If you area a habitual smoker and quit and then lose weight a year later, the stored THC in your fat cells gets released and your blood level can rise above a presumptively impaired level. What does this all mean? Probably that half the drivers in Colorado at any given time are impaired. Even if we legalized it here, anyone who uses it would be prohibited from driving, maybe even for days at a time.
 
I would like our society to have the what level of impairment is too much conversation, though. 1ng/ml might have some perceptible level of impairment so that a driver might lose some reaction time, but is it any more significant than having a bad headache, a fight with the wife, stress from work, etc?
 
There are no easy answers about marijuana. From its demonization under Anslinger to the present, it's been controversial and saddled with cultural baggage that has not always been about the direct effect the drug has on users and society. I believe our current policy of incarceration for drug crimes is misguided at best. The idea that we are populating our prisons at great cost both directly (prisons are pricey) and indirectly (cons don't get jobs easily and it can be an incredibly negative experience to one's life path to go to prison leading to negative social outcomes) with people who are not an inherent danger to society shows a pretty strong dysfunction. I just finished reading Prisons of Poverty by Waquant, and it's a pretty strong indictment of the prison system as a method of class control where drug prohibition is an essential tool of the supporters of the neo-liberal theories of law and order. I think it should be read by everyone who feels seduced by the law and order arguments. Anyway, I digress. Marijuana is complicated, even if you don't smoke it!

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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2012, 05:55:06 AM »
Wow Edwin, I never heard that argument before.
Thank You