Author Topic: Jerry playing The Harder they Come.  (Read 693 times)

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Jerry playing The Harder they Come.
« on: May 16, 2014, 09:35:56 AM »
I fell upon this today while searching out some of my band youtube links to send to some companies to try to get a string endorsement deal.  
 
So I thought I'd share it with you.  
This is Jerry's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZsMmTFqSwI
 
And here is my band Musical Youth doing the version I was looking for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIqOtbg6zWo
 
Totally different.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2014, 10:45:34 PM »
Your version is WAY better...my first impression of Jerry's was it's way too white; the audio equivalent to watching uptight white folks trying to dance to Reggae for the first time...and I should know,I'm from northern Scotland and live in Canada, so I know white, but thankfully my teenage years in Deep Cove,BC taught me Reggae...Tony

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014, 11:20:02 AM »
I agree with Tony. No question.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2014, 02:44:58 PM »
Kind of like Clapton butchering I Shot The Sheriff. If you can't leave a hole in the 1, you have no biz playing reggae.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2014, 05:14:52 PM »
I don't think either Jerry or Clapton were trying to play reggae in their versions.  If the question is which versions are more classically reggae, then I would agree with you all.  But I also really appreciate and enjoy the different and unique take on the song offered by Garcia for what it is, (which certainly is far from uptight white man music).
 
And I really enjoyed the more classic version by musical youth which, while undeniably musical, raises a question about the youth part - except of course our own Jazzyvee who is certainly at least young at heart.
 
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2014, 08:35:08 PM »
What strings are you going for?

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2014, 01:22:39 AM »
I was not posting to imply any value judgement. It was just a surprise to find jerry covering a classic reggae track. So really its an observation on how differenty musicians approach the same song. After all thats one of the thing that attracts me to jazz.  
 
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2014, 01:52:43 AM »
Nice version, Jazzy!
 
Agreed, it doesn't make a lot of sense iif you drop the whole feel. Joe Jackson used to do a pretty angry version that still manages to drop the one.

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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2014, 10:34:57 AM »
Sometimes someone wants to interpret a song in a completely different manner or style.  It's not a question of making sense.  For example, my band has been fooling around with the Turtles' Happy Together done reggae style.  Does this not make sense because the Turtles didn't do it that way?  Jazzy wasn't alleging any value judgements, just juxtaposing two very different versions of the same song.   One doesn't have to like both, but ascribing good and  bad judgements based on personal preference has a tendency to close one's mind to new ideas and musical directions.  Some musical experiments just don't work for me, but I try to appreciate the attempt and creativity behind it.  Admittedly, I may be a little like Bush saying don't mess with Texas when it comes to Jerry and the Dead.  But consider this, would any of us be playing our beloved Alembics today if it wasn't for Jerry and the Dead?
 
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2014, 11:11:16 AM »
I know there are better JGB versions out there, especially w/ Kemper, Melvin and Kahn backing.... My general displeasure comes when someone takes a tune with potential for a deep pocket or groove, and sets it to 'the marching powder shuffle'....
 
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZ0nPZkfeI

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2014, 11:48:43 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2014, 12:01:08 PM »
I didn't really want to get into the relative merits of the performances, because it's apples and oranges.  
 
For me, I think Jerry was a folkie at heart. I think the beauty of his performance in his playing The Harder They Come is that it becomes kind of a like a Woody Guthrie song, one that shares the protest of the people against the injustices of big capitalism, where the little guys have no power and get forced into bad situations by injustice with which they are ill equipped to deal. The fact that it was originally a reggae song is almost not even relevant in that context, it could be from a Kentucky mine worker, a Chicago steel worker, a Caribbean fruit picker, a Hawaiian sugar plantation worker, etc., anyone who is trying to find honest work, but gets abused by the system and the powerful, so his interpretation of it, Peruvian Marching Powder Shuffle or not, shouldn't really be judged on whether he's stylistically authentic. He's not playing the song to cop a stylistic feel, so it's not disrespect or laziness on his part if he doesn't include aspects that should be de rigueur for reggae. He's playing it because it's a message that speaks to the human condition.
 
Additionally, because he performed songs like this, thousands of Deadheads everywhere gained an entry into the reggae world when they wanted to check out where the song came from and what else was there.
 
(Message edited by edwin on May 18, 2014)

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2014, 12:35:22 PM »
Jazzy ,     I like your tone on the tune. Great Band !  
Great version ___
 
    I am  sure all here have seen this but here is the Man himself ___http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGE4dnrPPZQ
 
     Mr. Jimmy Cliff makes me feel it ___SO much ___.

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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2014, 12:35:43 PM »
To add to what Edwin said, I would guess that Jerry also enjoyed improvising over the chord progression.  His playing in the solo section is very nice; it sounds like he was having fun.
 
While reading through the comments in this thread, I thought of the example of John Coltrane covering My Favorite Things.  Of course if Coltrane would have had Julie Andrews in his band maybe the feel would have been more like the original.  (This is amazing to watch by the way)

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2014, 12:51:22 PM »
Point taken, Edwin.  
 
But I make no apologies for expressing my pet peev for the marching powder shuffle~ when someone calls out 'harder they come' at a jam, I really hope, and try my hardest to make sure it doesn't turn into that. One of my other peevs is when there's a funk jam or break and the guitarist turns it into a I-VII-I vamp. Those two top my list... That said, I get the defensiveness, and sometimes within the band, once things get rolling its hard to change. I don't think jazzy, tony or myself were trying to bait anyone. The only reason I brought up Clapton, was because even he has mentioned some regret in the way he covered 'sheriff'.... Of course Jimmy Cliff, Musical Youth, and JGB are apples and oranges. But, if that was Jazzy's first impression of JGB covering the tune, well IMHO there are much better renditions out there. I think the 'relative merits' are worth mentioning..... day in day out, that's what all of us deal with, and each day things hopefully things progress to zen....