Author Topic: Is it just me who gets this message virtually every time i submit a posting? (Read 741 times)

peoplechipper · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2014, 11:49:25 PM »

Wow, clearly there are many on here better with computers than me, and better bass players, but I'm a better Goldsmith and bike mechanic! NYAH(sticking tongue out...)...I dunno, just felt like pooping that in; I am so not a computer guy...Tony

keith_h · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2014, 04:38:58 AM »

I'm a retired software engineer. The file locking errors really don't bother me as I don't get them that often.

What does bother me is the general acceptance that it is ok to put out non or semi functional software and customers accept it. The prevailing view that ever shorter release cycles are needed no matter the current state of the product is ridiculous. The reality is the product takes just as long develop regardless of what the schedule says. The difference being the customers become the testers and have to suffer through problems that should have been caught and handled internally. Well time to get off my soap box and get the trailer prep'ed for this weekends trip.

Keith

JuancarlinBass · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2014, 05:57:03 AM »

I?m with Keith. Much too often the end users are the end sufferers instead, just because the software company decides a product HAS to be out on a certain date, and then try to fill the gaps with patches and updates, that could have been avoided with a little more time on the necessary research and proper development.

Open Software deserves an apart section, as long as it remains rooted and supported by the software community, within the conscious mindset of that it is intended to be a work in progress, and as such, the users (be it developers or not) assume that any gaps or failures are a product of its own nature as a non-commercial product under constant development. What a shame some expensive commercial software developers (Avid, anyone?) think this is equally valid for leading edge industry standard software tools... (End of rant. Sorry ?bout that...)

sonicus · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2014, 10:14:58 AM »

I think Avid /Protools has often been tangled up in releasing updates , chasing compatibility issues with new Apple hardware and OS.

Since I am on the subject of hardware and software compatibility issues I am always trying to find out what fits what in both hardware and software. To be on track with the nature of this thread I became vary curious regarding the forum software that this thread directly is concerned with. That would be Discus Pro,
http://alembic.com/cgi-bin/alembic-club/discus.cgi?pg=credits.

I was quite interested in finding out what the OS and hardware requirements are to run Discus Pro, BUT this is where my search lead me ; http://www.discusware.com/
& http://www.discusware.com/pro

Next I found this;
http://www.dyncommunity.com/questions/28099/discusware.html

http://yowbooks.com/catalog/self-help/discus/

Therefore ; I think that I would like to send a wave of gratitude to the Mother Ship, Mica , Ron and all involved to keep this forum in operation, considering that they are doing what they can with what they have got to work with. I think it is pretty good consider that they have to Brain Storm it on their own. And they are doing it for us ____ .

Wolf

lbpesq · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2014, 12:37:58 PM »

O.K. all of you software experts. Explain to me why the 25 year old wordperfect 5.1 for DOS is a far better program than wordprefect 12?

Bill, tgo

lbpesq · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2014, 12:38:50 PM »

O.K. all of you software experts. Explain to me why the 25 year old wordperfect 5.1 for DOS is a far better program than wordperfect 12?

Bill, tgo

keith_h · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2014, 01:30:10 PM »

Because somewhere along the line someone decided that making something look pretty in a window was better than a product that was functional. They also seemed to like writing macros that would only be used once instead of typing a few extra words. I could also get really snarky and say something along the lines of this is what happens when you let academics who have never built a product in their life teach but that would exclude the folks at Xerox and Bill Gates.

One thing I like about doing mainframe work is they still have green screen (or grey and black or other monochrome schemes) and a plain Jane editor meant for people to type programming code and job control language. I can still put more code out than many young'uns with their fancy shmancy PC/Unix editors.

One last thing is my experience in software as opposed to hardware engineering there seems to be a generational mentality that forgets most everything that is new now has been done before (i.e. Cloud is just the recent incarnation of timer share and service bureaus of the 60's).

Keith

sonicus · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2014, 02:05:00 PM »

Keith,
I remember back in the early 1980's when I worked for CBS Specialty Stores ( Pacific Stereo) using green monochrome screens on the Data General main frame system. I remember some particular aspects of that system when we did simultaneous inventories ; it really slowed down _____ .

My last green monochrome system using DOS commands and a large boot floppy was my old IBM 286. I think that had the 8088 motherboard.

keith_h · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2014, 02:33:52 PM »

I don't consider Data General a mainframe. To me they were more of a minicomputer like the DEC PDP-11 family and IBM Series 1. I look at mainframes being things like the IBM 3xx/3xxx and clones, DEC 10 and Computer Data Corp machines.

Edit: Don't want to leave out Sperry/Univac and Burroughs from the mainframe list.

The nice thing about green screen, and I'm talking full screen mode here, is they utilize typing from the keyboard. Too many windowed apps require you to go from typing to the mouse and back to typing. To me that is counter intuitive. Likewise I find it much easier to type a couple of commands to repeat or copy some lines than to go off to the mouse, highlight the text I want, either use some keystrokes or use the mouse to pull down a text editing tab then go back to typing. From a work flow standpoint using a mouse is an interruption. And don't get me started on TABs with graphical editors ... ... Just to show you my stubbornness (my Dear Wife's words not mine), I use Visual SlickEdit on my PC's however it is always in ISPF or XEDIT emulation mode whether it is for mainframe, Unix box or PC coding.

Keith

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JuancarlinBass · « **Reply #24 on:** July 11, 2014, 04:50:19 AM »

Bill: Don?t ask me. My studio computer still runs in XP (and will do so for some time yet, thanks to Digidesign?s decision of making an otherwise all good interface -digi001- compatible with ASIO drivers for almost every nice software out there, except for any ProTools further than 6.4. Also, I have to set it up in the no fancies mode (My Computer//properties/advanced/get rid of any kind of visual fancies and stuff in order to make it run snappy). Still, a lot of nice recordings have been made with that technology and back in its day. Why cannot they be made nowadays with the same tools? In the end, I think it?s also a matter of what floats your boat, and your ability to use the tools. I?ve seen too many of the guys with the latest tools and tricks doing nothing, or even worse, BAD things with them.

Oh, and monochrome monitors? DEC? IBM 3xx? Data General? Shhhhh!!!! They will know our exact age!! Hahahaha!!!

keith_h · « **Reply #25 on:** July 11, 2014, 05:17:45 AM »

Oh, and monochrome monitors? DEC? IBM 3xx? Data General? Shhhhh!!!! They will know our exact age!! Hahahaha!!!

More than once my kids have said I belong in a museum.

Keith

sonicus · « **Reply #26 on:** July 11, 2014, 08:23:00 AM »

Juan , yes the Digi001 was a great little DAW interface in the LE platform. I still keep 2 of them around for work that comes my way in that LE to 6.4 . I also have a full MIX 24 TDM system to 6.4 TDM.

The Data General was set up to accommodate 28 Pacific Stereo locations . It was my first experience with any computer. I was there from mid 1980 to late 1982. Originally I was hired to maintain and wire their audio demonstration interfaces. They kept me around working in various departments wearing many different hats until they declared bankruptcy. Then the big parent corp. CBS Inc. dissolved Pacific Stereo. I had fun working there, they even let me work in sales in the High End Room when I had no tech duties. The High End Room was the most coveted spot to be in . That's where the real stuff was ___ Lol !

(Message edited by sonicus on July 11, 2014)

JuancarlinBass · « **Reply #27 on:** July 11, 2014, 03:31:07 PM »

So it is not just me regarding the DIGI001 preamps (Focusrite made!) and DAC/ADC circuitry as better, more musical, less harsh sounding than the 002 and 003 then?.

I bought a bigger interface for another machine (a bigger studio setup, in the countryside, away from my home in the capital city), an m-audio profire 2626, and although it can handle 26 simultaneous inputs and is able to work at a higher resolution than the 001, I find it less awesome sounding than my old 001 at 24/48. Go figure...

sonicus · « **Reply #28 on:** July 11, 2014, 06:30:39 PM »

Juan , I agree with your first sentence .
Another Digidesign Protools LE format interface that I liked was the Mbox 2 Pro Firewire (24/69) .I have a friend who works for PBS ( Public Broadcasting Service) who took one around the world for on location recording on a laptop with an external hard drive. I did not care for their USB models . PCI card connection or firewire for me for that older computer recording stuff .

I have a friend who was a long time employee at Digidesign / Protools who was laid off right about the time that they made the transistion to Protools 9 Native.
From what I understand there were also ribbon cable problems with the 002. Mackie had the same type of ribbon cable failure problems for a while in a few of their products, that I have serviced but won't go into detail here and now as I do not want to hi jack.

edwin · « **Reply #29 on:** July 11, 2014, 09:39:32 PM »

The reality is the product takes just as long develop regardless of what the schedule says.- Sort of like our favorite basses? :-)

I hope you PT users have gotten a chance to use PT 11. It's been a life changer for me. Much more efficient (and even runs on my Mac Pro 1,1, which is not supposed to be the case as it only has a 32 bit EFI), and hangs and crashes a lot less. Plus, the faster than real time offline bounce is great for location guys like me that end up with 3 hour shows that need a rough mix. Tying up my computer for all that time was no fun.

I don't bother with Digi/Avid hardware any more. The 001 was pretty cool, and the 002R also worked out OK, but moving to Metric Halo was a revelation. The ULN-8 is simply head and shoulders about every Digi/Avid interface I've heard.

And yes, I do get the error message mentioned by the OP fairly often. But it's no big deal. Usually when I hit the go back key command, my post is still right there (and yes, I agree about the mouse being a distraction. I do like some of the gestural stuff with the trackpad, but much prefer typing as much as possible. It's amazing to watch really good engineers mix and edit in PT. I had the good fortune to work with a guy who is a PT developer and he just flew on the keyboard.).

OK, let's see what happens when I hit post!