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longhorncat

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2008, 07:17:42 PM »
Back to this guy's original offer.  
You really shouldn't have been offended.  
He was only a hundred dollars off current market price for an Epic 5.
A quick look on eBay shows the last one listed sold for $1025.
After eBay and paypal fees, that seller netted less than $950.
As nice as our basses are, they don't really hold their value very well.
 
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2008, 08:08:57 PM »
I stand to say that my Epic is the best sub $1000 bass I have ever owned. It was all I could see spending for a bass cause I would have felt foolish to spend much more. The typical wholesale value given for any instrument is .25 of its original list price. So getting an Epic at the current prices also makes it a real value.

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 05:36:30 AM »
I had a problem with the push-pull volume pot on my Lakland Skyline (Korean) bass not long after I bought it.  I sent a blind email to the company and ended up conversing quite a bit with Dan Lakin himself via email about bass stuff.  He sent me a new pot and a fresh set of strings, and for about a year afterward I'd still get the occasional how's the bass? email from him.  Those people/manufacturers are out there.  Alembic and Lakland fill distinctly different niches with just a little overlap is all.  Lakland and Sadowski, on the other hand, are aiming for pretty much the same target as far as I can tell..
 
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 06:10:26 AM »
I have seen Epic 5 Strings selling for as much as $2,200 on ebay and 4 strings for as much as $1,600. I didn't say that I was offended by his offer. I was offended by him comparing Epics and Excels to Mexican made Fenders. To me, it would be like comparing a Mercedes to a Hyundai. He said that he had seen Sadowkys on ebay for $1,800. On that point, I have never been able to understand why basses such as Alembic, Sadowsky and other boutique basses never seem to hold their value. I love my Alembic even though it's only an Epic. I've always said that there is no such thing as the wrong bass. We should all play whatever makes us happy and satifies us as musicians.  Thanks for all the responses. It does make for interesting conversation

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 06:40:48 AM »
As to the comparison, I would like to add the following to all the thoughtful comments made above.  The same artisans that made Stanley Clarke's personal bass, made your bass.

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2008, 06:55:22 AM »
now if they could only make us play like Stanley!

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2008, 07:00:31 AM »
And mine. And Jimmy Johnson's, and Gerry's guitar and Phil's bass and JAE's bass and JPJ's bass. And a whole bunch of really nice people on this forum's instruments. I feel privileged to keep such exalted company;-)  
 
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 07:05:25 AM »
I just want to play like Adam!

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2008, 02:11:56 PM »
Olie, your no slouch, your bass playing blows me away
 
 
Sir David
 
PS I was not paid to say that

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2008, 02:15:32 PM »
Thanks David,  
 
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PS. Wait until after Tuesday to cash the check.

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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2008, 02:52:47 PM »
From what Ive seen, even the lower models that Alembic offers have far superior fit, finish, and craftsmanship to not only mass produced guitars, but also to some of the higher end manufacturers.
 
I had a fretless Elan that I sold for some stupid reason, and even that was a better bass than anything Ive seen in a music store before and since.
 
I once knew a guy who tried telling me that his Carvin was better than any guitar Alembic ever made.  Im sure Carvin makes some nice instruments, but better than Alembic?   No way....
 
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2008, 04:18:19 PM »
I've owned a couple of Carvin basses over the years, and they both played absolutely like butter.  They sounded good as well, though obviously not nearly as versatile as an Alembic.  They were both delightful instruments to play, but yes they came out of a machine and in that respect had no real personality of their own.
 
To me, I think, the thing that really makes an Alembic the desireable instrument that it is, is the ability to dial-in an infinite range of timbres (many very unuseable until I got my brain around the filters concept) without having to carry a slew of instruments to the studio or gig.  And of course it has the absolute best shiny-bright roundwounds sound of any bass I've played..
 
Another thing to consider would be that every other instrument I've played naturally compresses the signal as I play harder, whereas the Alembic just gets louder.  For me, this makes me much more likely to have a bad experience and sore fingers and arm everytime I play another bass.  Other people have a hell of a time getting what they want out of the Alembic because it's reproducing their sloppy technique very precisely.  We've all experienced that humbling experience and have chosen to grow through it, while many have chosen to hide from it instead.  For them, yes, an Alembic probably isn't a good value at any price..
 
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2008, 06:09:54 PM »
The uniqueness of the hand-crafted Alembic bass is evident.  No Alembic is exactly like another since they are hand selected and built.  Question:  did the same Alembic craftsmen build all of the basses since inception of the company?  Are certain craftsmen associated by year to the basses built?

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2008, 11:36:53 PM »
I have to agree with John that my technique has tightend up tremendously since aquiring my Alembic,i've had to work on it of course,but it's very satisfing when you plug in an Alembic bass,play quite well and get that sound you're after.So much so that i've sold all my other basses and ordered another Alembic!.
I have never played any other models apart from the ones i've owned,but would rather own one of the slightly cheaper Alembics if i had no choice,than any other bass.......
 
I am a total convert and i'm glad thats the way it's going to stay!

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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2008, 05:38:07 AM »
Sadowsky - a great pre-amp in a good Fender copy!  
 
Thats where it ends for me! For some people that combination makes for the ultimate bass and good luck to those folks, but I prefer an original design..its a personal choice!
 
Jaco swore by his beat up old Jazz - even though to most of us it looked fit for the bin - and Hadrien Feraud swears by his Japanese ken Smith Burner bass...some times a certain bass just grabs us and it becomes special! In this respect surely a low end Alembic can be just a special as a high end one? Flea loved his Excel enough to record with it, why didnt he source a series 1 or 2, or even have a custom build?  
 
Do you catch my drift?
 
John.