Author Topic: Optima 24 Carat Gold-Plated Strings?  (Read 1047 times)

cozmik_cowboy

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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2015, 07:07:16 AM »
Are the unwound strings plated, too, Bill?
 
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2015, 01:58:19 PM »
Yep.  Every string is gold.  Looks real sweet against the flame Koa top and black phenolic fretboard.  Tried them out in a jam yesterday.  Sounded great and I didn't notice any difference in feel from my usual GHS Boomers.  Now let's see how long these suckers last.
 
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2015, 02:07:50 PM »
Well, Doctor, I can't function because I'm having constant visions of a snowflake 000-45 with Jesco frets & gold strings; does my insurance cover the cost???
 
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"Is not Hypnocracy no other than the aspiration to discover the meaning of Hypnocracy?  Have you heard the one about the yellow dog yet?"
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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2015, 10:02:05 AM »
Reporting back after one gig with Optima Gold 45 - 100.  Initial reaction was good to the sound.A bit warmer than Skjold S/S 40 -100 which I rate highly.  Not quite as bright (I play fingerstyle only so that is no problem).
Are they a bit stiffer in tension maybe rigid when playing? I didn't feel I was moving so quickly around the fretboard but maybe imagining. I can't think that 45 rather than 40 would make any difference, it was more in the lower strings.
What does anybody else think?
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2015, 09:38:42 PM »
The Optima Golds have been on for a little over a month, now. They look, play, and sound as when new.  My GHS Boomers or D'Addarios would have discolored a little and lost some presence by now.  I'm going to try their Maxiflex Gold and also an acoustic set.
 
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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2015, 09:26:44 AM »
I have had to take my Optima Golds off after one gig.  They look great and the sound is good but I find the density a bit too stiff for me - my fingers are not as strong as they used to be after a small fracture in one finger.  They cost ?42 so a bit of an expensive experiment.  Terry, if you want to try them out I could post them to you, see what you think and make me an offer that suits?  They are cut to fit an Orion and are 45 to 100.  My email is murray@axis-connect.com   Glynn

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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2015, 09:35:18 AM »
Have you checked out the Optima Maxiflex Gold?  They're supposed to be more flexible.  I ordered a set which arrived yesterday.  I'll be putting it on my Ferlembic tonight.  I'm curious how these compare with the standard Optima Gold's.  Will report back.
 
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2015, 02:40:12 PM »
I use the Stringcleaner on all my guitars and basses. It cleans both sides of the strings with one swipe and doesn't require anything but a quick rinse twice a year or so.
 
http://thestringcleaner.com/
 
Simple, cheap, effective and the bass version has an extra pad that cleans the fingerboard at the same time. I just leave them on the guitar and give it a quick swipe before and after I play. Two seconds, tops. Done.
 
For strings, for most gigs on bass I use Carvin/GHS stainless steel:
 
http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/40STS
 
Ten bucks a set. They sound fantastic on my fretless basses, especially the acoustic 5-string. On my Alembic (Series 1) I  rotate between three sets, depending on the gig (the advantage of our amazing tailpieces is that you can pop strings on and off with ease).  
 
I specialize in Motown and the basslines of the great James Jamerson:
 
http://bassland.net/jamersonhits.htm
 
The thing about James is that he was an upright man, like me. He left the factory mute on his '62 P-bass, jacked his action up so high that Bootsy said; you had to have a friend help you play it. He used LaBella Flatwounds that he never changed, and on his Ampeq B-15, he would turn on the treble and mids to 0 and his bass control at full blast. He made it sound like an upright as much as possible.  
 
He controlled the amount of sustain by using the right hand pizzicato technique of pressing lightly against the string with the side of his finger while using his index forefinger like a flat pick, for both up and down strokes.
 
He called it the claw. The next time you hear anything from Heard It Through The Grapevine to Bernadette or Knock On Wood, consider that every bass note was plucked with ONE FINGER.
 
http://www.metafilter.com/75769/James-Jamerson-Motowns-Secret-Weapon
 
Here's what it sounded like: http://youtu.be/rfDjwuwlJFo
 
For the Motown orchestra I play with I use a fretless Jazz Bass (a copy of Jaco's) I made, with EMGs (w/mid expander). I wound a strip of thick neoprene through the string ends at the tuners and have a 4 length of soft 1/4 pipe insulation stuffed under the strings, against the saddles.
 
I use a set of black tapewounds - well-used - I found in a cubbyhole of an old workbench I inherited when I went to work at Daddy's in the early 90s. I've been trying to guess the gauge ever since (circus big-top guy wire? Undersea electric cable? Ethyl Mertz' clothesline?)
 
I tried a variety of amps and preamps over the years, until I borrowed a Tech 21 SansAmp DI at the last minute (because I forgot I'd borrowed my amp's power cable for something else and forgot to put it back in my gig bag) and ran it directly into the FOH. Boom, there was the sound I was looking for.
 
Holy cow, hits you right in the pants, don't it? quoth the drummer. You bet. That's where I was aiming. I put duct tape across the top of the SansAmp so nothing would change. To this day, I have absolutely no idea what the settings are.
 
One last thing. Legend has it Jamerson recorded all day at Motown then went out to play a gig, got roaring drunk and came back to Motown the next morning without a second's worth of sleep.
 
Smokey Robinson had an arranger write out a very complicated bassline for the new tune he had written, but Jamerson was too drunk to read it. Instead, he laid on his back on the studio floor and said; count it off. I'll think of something.
 
He played two notes. To this day, over a half-century later, when you - as a bassist - play those same two notes, everybody knows which song it is:
 
http://youtu.be/Vc_SDlPMGDA
 
Now THAT'S genius.
 
 
Jeez, I didn't realize this sucker became a novel. Oh well, it's a subject near and dear to my heart, and a VERY weird setup you might never hear of another bassist using.

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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2015, 05:25:12 PM »
Ed, have you tried the Optima Gold or Optima Maxiflex Gold strings we've been discussing on this thread?
 
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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2015, 08:38:42 PM »
Ha ha, yes I have, and I thought I had commented on them. Whoops.  
 
This board refreshes automatically when I go to another tab in my browser (Safari iOS, ptew), for some reason, so when I go to grab a link, when I come back the little window I'm writing in right now is always blank. So I have to copy whatever I've said to the clipboard and paste it into the world's worst WP app and finish it there, then copy and paste it back here.
 
As you already know, I'm a blabbermouth (hell, I wouldn't read this swill if I didn't have to. What's your excuse?), with the technical computer skills of a potato. Stuff gets lost.
 
Somewhere before I launched into my Jamerson rant (it was the thought of those wonderful, gnarly tapewounds, I tell ya), I mentioned that I have three sets of strings I use on my Alembic, depending on the gig, but the paragraph(s) about what they were disappeared in some kinda copy-and-paste nightmare.
 
So briefly [pause for laughter] I've used a set of Maxima golds I bought years ago for studio sessions. You gotta hear them through headphones. Unbelievable. I never got another set (because of the arm and leg these ones cost me) and I was stunned when they stopped making them. So I've always taken extremely good care of these babies. I take them off, wipe 'em down and lay them lengthwise in my road case without touching each other.
 
Frankly, I didn't know they'd started making them again until this thread! Yay! I'm getting as many sets as the Foghorn will let me. (That would be: one. You watch.)
 
They have a wonderful warmth that no other strings I've ever used can match. There's a reason Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie and Miles Davis used gold trumpets, y'know. (Satchmo's was solid gold!)
 
The other sets I use are some dead-as-@&$# round wounds I've had for EVER (for country) and the aforementioned cheapie Carvins, because they sound bright as whiz zing in a zinc bucket.
 
I use a Stanley Clarke trick that really saves wear on your strings, prevents grunge on your fingerboard and best of all, allows you to play your patootie off without getting sore fingers.
 
I read about it in an interview with him about the inspiration for his song Finger Prints.
 
Get a sapphire nail file that has coarse on one side and fine on the other, and use it to sand off your fingertips (wherever skin touches string, both hands).
 
He reasoned that fingerprints are for friction, to allow us to grip surfaces. So by removing your fingerprints, not only does it completely eliminate friction, but it also removes the skin cells that create crud and it virtually eliminates wear on the strings.
 
Use the coarse side of the file to remove your fingerprints, then the fine side to polish the callus. You'll see. Stan's the man.

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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2015, 01:56:09 AM »
I once had a client, (20+ years ago), that removed his fingerprints by rubbing his fingertips against the cement wall in his holding cell following his arrest on relatively minor charges.  By the time they got around to booking him, they couldn't get decent prints and, as a result, they never figured out who he was.  I never thought about doing it for musical purposes, though.  Interesting.
 
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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2015, 11:18:01 PM »
No.
 
Sand off my fingerprints . . . . .
 
No.
 
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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2015, 03:19:50 AM »
I agree Joey and on another note on that subject all you are doing is removing the protective epidermis and exposing the delicate dermal layer which is prone to damage and what happens is that it produces really hard insensitive callouses and not hard pads which we have all developed over years of playing.
I think it it is one of those myths that we hear, I remember one myth that Stevie Ray Vaughan was allegedly did, he put superglue on his fingertips and then touch his forearm and ripped the skin off giving him more skin on them...a load of bull**** methinks !

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2015, 06:13:41 AM »
Ha ha, you guys make it sound like I said to stick your fingers in a belt sander. The point is to polish the surfaces of your skin that touch the strings, that's all.  
 
Look at your fingertip. How deep do you think your fingerprints are? Rub it with your thumb. See? That tiny bit of friction is what I'm talking about. Now snap your fingers. That friction is the reason you can snap your fingers.
 
A sapphire nail file is preferable because the particles are uniform, so they don't tear your fingernail edge, they POLISH it. The smoother the edge, the harder. It's tiny snags and cracks that damage nails. Same with your fingertips. (Though I've used emery boards, concrete blocks, whatever ... And asked ladies hundreds of times; gotta nail file?)
 
Every time you play bass, you're grinding off your fingerprints anyway. That's what fingerboard gunk is made from, y'know. I've probably scraped enough off fingerboards to fill a boxcar. [Shudder]
 
Mica, call Stanley and ask him if he recommended sanding your fingerprints off, in an interview umpteen years ago (talk about returning to forever...) and tell him one weird guy says thanks for saving him from terminal blisters when he was in the house band at a Bob's country bunker back in the 90's.  
 
In all the decades I've been telling musicians about that trick, this is the first time anyone questioned it. Everybody else went; wow! That really works! But what do I do when I want to snap my fingers?

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2015, 11:00:53 AM »
The way the Stanley method lingers in my memory, is to rub your fingers against a brick wall in case the callouses get too thick.