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hieronymous

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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2015, 12:20:17 PM »
I posted another track with my Les Paul Triumph - just audio - flat wound strings played with a pick, kind of overdriving my CAJ tube compressor and then beefed up with F-2B after the fact:
 
https://soundcloud.com/stanleylighthead/jan-jan

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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2015, 05:35:46 PM »
Here's Tina Weymouth (bassist for Talking Heads and Tom Tom Club) take on basses, short-scale and otherwise;
 
I've come full circle, Tina Weymouth says of her decision to strap on once again the single-cutaway, two-pickup Hofner hollowbody she's had for her whole career. (Her original was stolen in '78, but a sympathetic fan sold her another shortly after.) It's really light, it has a little neck, and it's hard for some engineers to handle--but it's funky as all get out.
 
In addition to the Hofner, Tina's bass stockpile has included (roughly in this order) a '70s sunburst Fender Precision, now on display at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame; a competition-striped Fender Mustang; a Gibson Triumph; a Fender Musicmaster; a custom-made Veillette-Citron Standard 4-string; a Steinberger; and a '63 Fender Jazz. Early on, I experimented a lot with short-scale basses other than my Hofner, she recalls. They helped me to get my confidence up--so they were useful for a while--but I could never get the sound I wanted. It certainly didn't matter onstage, because you probably couldn't hear me anyway. But they definitely do not sound as good.
 
(Excellent interview, by the way) https://web.archive.org/web/20081206031839/http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tina-weymouth/mar-97/5958

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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2015, 06:36:12 PM »
Yeah, I remember her on the Veillette-Citron and the keyboard bass (Rhodes?). She is a great player.

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2015, 05:10:37 AM »
I have short and long scale Fender Electro Acoustic Bass guitars and like them both.
For travelling and transporting around festivals, the short scale is easier.  As to sound, I agree with the 'tone is in your fingers' from another thread and haven't noticed any particular shortcomings on the short scale.
My Alembic Orion and Jaydee are both long scale so don't really come in to the topic.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2015, 11:14:56 AM »
Frankly, until this thread I never really thought about short scale vs. long scale BASS, because if you fix guitars that discussion is invariably confined to guitars (Strat vs. Les Paul, mainly) and I dropped out of that conversation long, long ago. (Jeff Beck's Blow By Blow as I recall. Strats won, I think.)  
 
This dumbfounds me, because I've played many, many basses in repairing or setting up trade-ins and store stock, and I don't think I ever gave it a second's thought. Either I'm totally brainless (lots of evidence for that conclusion) or the issue got sidelined somehow over the decades.
 
I firmly believe that you can only evaluate a guitar with a band. Twiddle with all the knobs you want, but you won't REALLY know what that sucker sounds like until you're chugging along as part of a unit.
 
With bass, it's even easier. All you need is a drummer, because you won't have a clue about what your bass actually sounds like until you're smackin' the CRAP out of the 1 with drums, because they just suck up all the 250 - 400 MHz around.  
 
Ive been thinking about it (uh oh), and I think Paul McCartney and Tina Weymouth made indelible basslines in the ears of a whole generation with Hofner hollowbodies. Ask anybody, even if they've never held a bass in their life, and they can probably hear the bass parts of A Day In The Life or Yellow Submarine in their head, or Burning Down The House and Once In A Lifetime (which is only TWO NOTES).
 
Paul wasn't even the bassist in the Beatles until just before they became the biggest band in the world. The Beatles' bassist, Stu Sutcliffe, left the group in 1961:
 
 
 
...six months before the Beatles' first recordings with George Martin. (Decca rejected the Beatles, with the comment; guitar groups are on the way out, Mr. Epstein.)
 
Stu loaned the Hofner bass (pictured) to Paul, on the stipulation that he wouldn't change the strings around, so Paul figured out the bass parts - upside down and backwards - until he bought his famous Hofner 500/1 (left handed, short scale) bass, just before the recording sessions.
 
Tina Weymouth was the drummer's girlfriend, who had never touched a bass in her life until the band pressed her into service; until we can find a REAL bass player. Originally she played a Hofner 500/2 because it was cheap and small...  
 
 
 
...but throughout Talking Heads and Tom Tom Club she's used whatever bass (and scale) suited the song. My kinda bass player.
 
She uses a pick or her fingers (later she incorporated fingerpicking with her thumb and two fingers) and has a horrendous baseball bat grip, but she's one of my very favorite bassists. Whatever she's doing - and whatever she's doing it ON - it works.
 
Here she is with the Hofner 500/2 (and Adrian Belew of King Crimson and Zappa on guitar) in 1980:
 
http://youtu.be/B-_PC6TlIhs

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2015, 12:46:25 AM »
Tina Weymouth Talking Heads - Psycho Killer Isolated Bass Track for anyone interested -  
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KWzX7OaXx0

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2015, 10:29:59 PM »
I prefer the 32 scale of my Distillate as I have broken bones in both hands (snowboarding and mtn biking) so the left especially does not stretch so well, basically missing a knuckle on that hand the bone's so shortened...I used to have a Fender Musicmaster but it sucked...it played okay, but the tone was poop; I found out why; the pickup was a guitar pickup with 6 polepieces covered up with a smooth cover...no attempt to make it sound good...anyway, scale does matter a bit but it's more how the bass is put together; those Hofners would sound plunky no matter the scale...Tony

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2015, 01:09:50 AM »
Tina Weymouth!!! my lord, I just listened to most of the posted show, and I had NO IDEA that she was so integral to the Talking Heads actually WORKING before; she was the glue, and she is awesome!...crazy I never really noticed before, but I haven't listened to Talking Heads in some years...

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2015, 07:15:14 AM »
Intro and bass solo on short-scale Fender Bass VI:
 
https://youtu.be/rjzTNWWO7U0
 
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2015, 10:15:40 AM »
Nice song! I still miss the Ovation 12 string though. Is that a bass or a baritone guitar?

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2015, 12:00:45 PM »
It's a bass. Tuned a full octave below a guitar, and I think something like a 28 scale. I believe he used Carole Kaye's instrument for the recording.
 
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2015, 02:31:05 PM »
The Fender Bass VI is 30 scale - the bottom four strings are the same as a standard bass guitar, with two higher strings, so it can be played as a baritone but covers the full range of the standard 4-string bass.

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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2015, 08:55:51 AM »
Jack Bruce used a Fender Bass VI on their debut album Fresh Cream (1966) and used it from time to time afterwards. This is a shot of him on TV in 1968.
 
 

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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2015, 10:05:58 AM »
One of my favorite Bass VI players is Roy Babbington, who joined the Soft Machine after Hugh Hopper left. He plays it like a regular bass, with fingers, gets a great fat sound. Interesting because he started out as an upright player - one would think it would be hard to switch to the tight string spacing, especially for the plucking hand, but he does it! (As did Jack Bruce as just mentioned). This is one of my favorite live recordings of theirs:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKDuevCr90Q
 
The classic lineup with Hugh Hopper seems to be preferred by most but I like pretty much every period.
 
I have one of the '96 MIJ Bass VI reissues, it's a fun instrument though I've never come 100% to terms with it. Want to get the 6-string neck of my doubleneck set up for Bass VI tuning which is what it appears it originally was - now it's more of a baritone turning (A-A) - I put baritone in quotes because I find it unclear and confusing. I personally think of the Bass VI as an extended range bass guitar.

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2015, 10:48:26 AM »
BTW - Bassilisk, that is a great pic of Jack Bruce with the psychedelicized Bass VI - I remember seeing a picture in Guitar Player magazine of him playing it before it was painted - I believe it was traditional 3 tone sunburst. I didn't know what kind of instrument it was at the time!
 
Here's another classic Bass VI moment:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NgeXl-PPA