Author Topic: Oooo, just look at what they've done to that poor defenseless guitar  (Read 1124 times)

afrobeat_fool

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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2010, 02:54:28 PM »
No offense intended. It's just, well, when the same thing keeps happening.... It's kind of like the insanity definition, When a person does the same thing again and again, looking for a different result, and continues to do it, that's insane. What is this the third or fourth time?
 
 
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2010, 03:35:37 PM »
i like that the only thing said here that could be considered a personal attack is comparing hal to brett favre. christ, i hate that guy. brett favre, that is.
and what exactly is a duty moderator? shouldn't it be  as your moderator, it is my duty to...  
eh, whatever.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2010, 05:07:15 PM »
well this got out of hand pretty quickly
 
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2010, 06:12:06 PM »
but, what about the guitar?
 
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2010, 06:29:06 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2010, 09:26:29 PM »
I know Hal has been a bit eccentric at times on the board, and he can really get to some members with his rhetoric. At this price range this should be expected. We are all eccentric to a degree, or this wouldn't be.

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2010, 10:59:10 PM »
Only a fool leans on his own misunderstanding.

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2010, 04:56:55 AM »
I strongly suggest that this discussion returns to the subject of modifying Alembics, or we will have to close this thread altogether.
 
@ darkstar01 - for all intents and purposes, I am your duty moderator. My experience is that personal attacks do come in many shapes and sizes.

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2010, 08:14:30 AM »
I know that Alembic guitars have a distinct sound & tone that some may not find ideal but I think is a shame to aethetically and sonically modify a Series II in such a manner

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2010, 09:40:47 AM »
I can understand that if someone really liked the woodwork and feel of an instrument that they might choose to gut the electronics.  It's happened more than once . . .
 

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2010, 11:17:33 AM »
I think all options are open and valid when we are seeking our tone or musical voice regardless of the instrument manufacturer. However I'm sure like many here, putting non alembic guts into an alembic body feels kind of like being unfaithful as if the person was committing audio adultery against their pure alembic. I would also imagine that unless you were as big as Gerry, you would lose shed loads of money on a future sale too.
 
However we probably don't feel guilty when we transplant alembic electronics into a non alembic instrument. Maybe it's a snob value thing because Alembics cost thousands of pounds so to replace some of the expensive innards with pickups and electronics that are much much cheaper and presumably inferior seems wrong, whereas to put alembic guts in a much cheaper instrument is like we are doing it a favour.  
 
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2010, 12:36:15 PM »
...  I just had a sad but interesting email and conversation with yet another (now former) Alembic Club member who has left the site for good in disgust.  That person explicitly asked not to be identified, nor to copy/quote the email text.
 
Perhaps in time, that person's absence will be noted; perhaps not.  Perhaps that person will be missed; perhaps not.
 
For any who care, however, I was told it would be okay to mention the issue that led to the person's decision to leave the site.
 
The punch line was that it's not a fun place anymore.
 
Part of the frustration pertained to the topic of trolls.  Actually, that's not quite correct.  It had to do with a specific troll -but naming that troll might be considered an attack, so the troll shall remained unnamed.
 
The frustration pertained partially to frustration over interactions with the troll -how, on the one hand, many people who it might be hoped would know better choose to feed the troll, thus encouraging the troll to do what trolls do when fed (continue being trolls and continue being fed); part of the frustration was over the fact that, when people choose not to exercise option A for dealing with a troll (ignore/don't feed the troll) and exercise option B (identify the troll for what they are, possibly with appropriate indignation and/or condemnation), that will be held against them by the moderator(s).
 
The perception of the person leaving was that the moderator(s) is/are worse than the troll himself.  The troll himself can come and cleverly and successfully wreak havoc with impunity; but calling the troll out and expressing the natural irritation and indignation that some may experience can not be permitted.  Thus, the victims of the troll are effectively silenced, while the troll can push, pull, prod, and provoke.
 
Whatever.  The absurdity of it all seems lost on many here.  Censorship in the name of civility is a contradiction that not only undermines its supposed goal, but in fact encourages the exact opposite of it.  This site would be infinitely better off allowing personal attacks than prohibiting/censoring offensive communication(s).
 
The Alembic Club has lost a lot of intelligent and wonderful contributors; actually... it's chased them away.  And as long as it continues to treat the adults who come here like they're in kindergarten or elementary school -by subjecting their communications to thought-police moderators -it will continue to do so.
 
Good luck with that.  Hope those who are willing to interact under these conditions are happy with the consequences.  I guess the thinking is that those who simply aren't willing to put up with that don't matter, and their absence won't be missed.
 
I know there is a double digit number of such individuals -because I've had over 10 people email me (in response to posts I've made and my position on this issue) and they all say the same thing: it's not fun here anymore because of the thought police moderators and their intelligence-insulting generic lines that implicitly attack the intelligence and character of posters here -ironically in the name of civility.  (Such as, what XYZ wrote may not have been their intention and/or as your designated censor, it is my duty to remind you that the thoughts you've expressed are forbidden, etc.)
 
It is a sad spectacle that those who lack the maturity to engage in adult interactions -including sometimes heated tempers and even personal attacks succeed in taking away eliminating the precondition of such discourse for those who do not lack that maturity.
 
Speaking for myself, I have no fear of being subjected to personal attacks; I learned a rhyme called sticks and stones several decades ago, and took it to heart long ago.  Personal attacks not only don't hurt me, but are ultimately constructive.  If/when, on rare occasions, an attack is warranted, it can serve as a wakeup call that I'm being a jerk or insensitive.  If the attacker is being a jerk or insensitive, it presents the opportunity for me and/or others to point this out, and indeed, on more than one occasion, I've experienced people apologizing for personal attacks.  On more than one occasion, I myself have apologized for something I've said/written.  Such examples can and do lead to better understanding, stronger relationships, and personal growth.
 
On the other hand, censorship -in the name of civility- undermines/prevents all of this.
 
Censorship is worse than any personal attack anyone can level at me, and is far more offensive.  It undermines and negates some of the most important and wonderful benefits of online forums.  I would much rather hear the honest opinions of people here -however offensive they may be- than to know I'm only seeing/hearing what is permitted.
 
Peace, Mark
 
(Message edited by masterofmanystrings on October 29, 2010)

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2010, 12:44:12 PM »
can we get an over/under on how long that post actually stays up?

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2010, 12:48:04 PM »
Hi Austin.  Your guess is as good as mine.
 
Hey, Tom Zimmerman and I were wondering if you ever got your Darkstar back after the unfortunate fiasco a few years ago...?  I've been hoping for you, and have never forgot it -though I never expected to see it.  Did it make it back to your hands?  I hope so.

darkstar01

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2010, 12:49:53 PM »
nope. never heard anything about it. thanks for asking, though.