Author Topic: Single-coil-like hum from an Excel?  (Read 663 times)

bsee

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Single-coil-like hum from an Excel?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 09:40:33 PM »
The proximity was just about a hum test, not a legitimate playing position. Though, you know what it's like to be a bass player, the lead guitar and singer take 90% of the stage that doesn't have drums on it and we usually get about six square feet of floor space. The rehearsal space hasn't given me any noise problems at all, further evidence that it was an environmental thing when I had noise.
 
The night I had problems, I had about 8' of space from my rig to my mic. It didn't matter where I was in that space, or even another few feet off to the side. I got the same higher frequency noise either with the Excel or with the Zon if the pickup blend was all the way off center. If I centered the blend, it was quiet.  
 
Like I said, the one big difference is that I didn't have my good power strip with me that night. I know there was an LED light hooked into the same circuit, and possibly a small powered PA monitor. I'll look into the wobble when I get a chance and I won't forget the power strip, so we'll see what I get. I get set up early enough to run a check and carry a backup, so it's never the end of the world if one thing goes wrong.
 
I am leaning toward the power feed being the issue, but I was surprised that the Excel acted similarly to the Zon in one-single-coil-pickup mode. I would have expected it to mirror the Zon in both-pickups-full-on mode.  
 
Also, we've got 2-3 gigs a month for the foreseeable future, so there will never be a convenient time to ship parts across the country. Fortunately, I'm in the too-many-basses club, so time can be made if it seems the right thing to do.  
 
We won't be back in that problem room until June, so I will monitor things in the meantime and if it's still a problem then with the good power strip in place, I'll think about pulling the guts and sending them west.
 
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2014, 12:21:59 PM »
Still having problems at gigs, but it's fine at rehearsals. No idea what's going on. I am going to put a brand new battery in there and try it on Friday. If it's still not good, I guess I'm going to have to pull everything and ship it.
 
Just proof that not every low price is necessarily a great deal. I'm sure this was a great deal and that is an over-reaction, but frustration can do that to you. It's more about not being able to figure out what's wrong than it is about the problem itself.
 
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2014, 04:34:50 PM »
It might not be the instrument at all . I have measured EMF interference etc...   in a variety of places with a Gauss meter . I would check the power plugs in the suspected area first for hot / neutral/ ground correctness as a first step . Next if you can get a hold of a Gauss meter
 or equivalent equipment to measure for any magnetic fields or various RF / EMF noise would be my next step. The fact is that you are not experiencing this noise problem at your rehearsal !    
Therefore ; perhaps this is a  localized  environmental issue ____
 
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 12:09:10 PM »
There's no doubt that there's more to this than just the instrument since there are locations where I have no difficulty. On the other hand, at locations where there is an issue, the issue only exists with this bass. Guitar player on single coils has no unusual noise and my other bass doesn't either. The one exception is that my other bass in a mode with just one single coil active does get some noise. If it's related to something picked up in a single coil environment, then that's a problem that shouldn't happen on a single-pickup Alembic in good working order.
 
The place I am playing tonight is not a real stage setup with lights and such, just a corner of a bar room. It will be the simplest gig environment yet in terms of noise sources. Even if it works well tonight, though, that will just be a data point. If I can't use the bass in 2/3 of the places I gig, then I need to do something about it.
 
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2014, 12:30:46 AM »
Well, I have great Alembic news here! After a bunch more testing, it would seem that there is nothing wrong with the Excel. After swapping around to a couple alternate amplifiers, I am now of the opinion that the noise I get relates more closely to some iffy preamp tubes in the main amp I was using when I picked up this bass. The output from the Excel is significantly hotter than my other instruments, and that may be why the noise shows up more here and is not an issue with the Zon.
 
The only down side I have is that I think I would prefer the tone of this bass with a regular pickup rather than the fatboy. A little less output and a little more crisp would be an advantage. I will either look for a deal on a standard pickup, or consider trading the bass for a similar five string with regular pickup(s).  
 
Apologies for believing there could actually be a problem with an Alembic.
 
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2014, 10:51:09 AM »
so um, dumb question, but have you tried adjusting your gain inside the instrument?
 
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2014, 11:42:22 PM »
The gain isn't the problem, it just makes it more apparent. I just need to swap some preamp tubes. I am fully aware of the function of all the controls on my instruments, inside and out, and I have tweaked them all until I am happy wit the results.