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Mellowgerman

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FatBoy hum
« on: July 29, 2024, 04:23:13 PM »
Hi everyone, my newly acquired 1992 Spoiler has one original AXY pickup and one FatBoy that was swapped in, not by the previous owner, but by the owner before him... at which point the bass also got the Ferrite bead and/or the RF upgrade (not sure if those are considered one and the same or if one always comes with the other or not). At that time the rotary selector was also replaced with a blend and the Q switch upgraded to a 3 position specimen. From what I understand this was done at Alembic, but that's just what I was told. Everything looks good inside the cavity as far as I can tell!

When the Q is boosted however, I do notice just a bit of directional hum, that my previous Spoiler from the early 80s did not exhibit (sold that one about a year ago but nothing has really changed in my house or with my amps. I hardly care about a touch of directional hum because I use my Guild Starfire with Bisonic single coils and active filter electronics all the time, so I'm very much used to it and in comparison the Spoiler's hum is hardly noticeable.

My main reason for this post though is that there's an additional hum, only from the FatBoy, only when the Q is boosted, and only when my fingers are right next to or on the face of the pickup. This starts when maybe an inch from the pickup and gets louder the closer I get to it. It's not awfully loud and I don't think anyone would ever notice in a live setting, but I'm just curious if this is a known phenomenon or if this indicates that something could be wrong with the pickup?

Last thing that may be worth mentioning, I came across a similar issue with Joe Barden pickups. They are dead silent when used in a standard passive wiring context (which I believe they were designed for) but once I hooked them up to some JTEX Distiller filters, I started to notice this same kind of finger-to-pickup proximity hum. A very easy solution in this case was just to put copper shielding tape over the face of each pickup, since the exposed rails of the pickup are grounded, it created a nice shield with minimal effect on the tone of the pickups, and the proximity hum was immediately eliminated. Using those pickups with those filters in that exact fashion to this day and it makes for an excellent sounding kinda-Phil-tribute Gibson EB-0 bass!

That said, that vintage EB-0 has tons of mojo and wear, 3 pickups, giant knobs, and so the copper shielding on the pickup tops fits the overall aesthetic of a weird steampunk space machine. With my clean new 1992 Spoiler, I'm not really interested in sticking copper shielding tape to the face of the pickup, so not considering that route there, but figured I'd mention the Gibson/Bardens story since I know in that case it was a shielding issue.

So has anybody else had a similar finger-to-pickup proximity hum with their FatBoy pickups? I tried searching and read a bunch of threads on these pickups but didn't come across any leads. Again, everything else functions exactly as it should, the pickups are strong, no signs of abuse anywhere, and the bass sounds EXCELLENT... I even swapped the pickups around (FatBoy in the neck position and AXY in the bridge position - which I like even better by the way!) to rule out that maybe it could be one side of the preamp or something, but the proximity hum still is happening only with the FatBoy. Put in a new battery, made sure the trim pots weren't totally dimed... all good! It's probably just a new-parent kind of paranoia, overly worried about relatively insignificant details, but please let me know if anyone has any thoughts.
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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2024, 06:17:25 PM »
Well, I’m not sure what is going on with it, but is there another Alembic bass near by that you could try that pickup in and see if it has the same issue? That may help determine if it’s the pickup or something in the control circuit.

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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2024, 01:41:44 PM »
Well, I’m not sure what is going on with it, but is there another Alembic bass near by that you could try that pickup in and see if it has the same issue? That may help determine if it’s the pickup or something in the control circuit.

Unfortunately there are no other FatBoy pickups local to me that I'm aware of... though if I see one up for sale at some point, I may very well scoop it up to do some A/B testing.
I'm willing to let the super quiet directional hum go as potentially environmental, since it seems to affect both pickups... and possibly my 80's Spoiler had it too and I just didn't notice it when I had it, given how negligible it is.
The FatBoy's finger-to-pickup proximity hum however, seems like something could be off with the pickup. It's tolerable and hard to notice with the pickup gain set low, so it's still usable, just in a limited capacity (hard for me to ignore with both Q and gain boosted).
Worth clarifying/reiterating, the FatBoy was originally in the bridge position and AXY in the neck position. I did swap those two out and the proximity hum followed the FatBoy to the neck position and the AXY continued to function normally as far as I could tell, so I really don't think it's the preamp. Just seems to me like other forum members would have called it out if it was a normal phenomenon accompanying that pickup design with the bigger magnet

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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2024, 06:18:32 PM »
That sounds like a defect in the pickup - none of the stacked hum-cancelling pickups should have hum.  Please send it to me and we will confirm that and replace it.

It's possible that both pickups are newer than the bass. I think the original pickups would have the rust brown modular connectors.

You might also want to purchase an RF upgrade chip replacement we can send at the same time as the FatBoy. This solves a different problem then you are reporting, but the RF is highly location specific, and you can get everything all tidy at once.

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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2024, 08:07:30 AM »
That sounds like a defect in the pickup - none of the stacked hum-cancelling pickups should have hum.  Please send it to me and we will confirm that and replace it.

It's possible that both pickups are newer than the bass. I think the original pickups would have the rust brown modular connectors.

You might also want to purchase an RF upgrade chip replacement we can send at the same time as the FatBoy. This solves a different problem then you are reporting, but the RF is highly location specific, and you can get everything all tidy at once.


Thank you for your reply, Mica! I have sent you an email regarding this matter.

Mellowgerman

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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2024, 05:20:52 PM »
Well, I suppose it looks the same... but the proximity-hum is gone with the new replacement (thanks again, Mica and team!), leaving nothing but beautiful pure Alembic tone. Just a dream to own!
On a sidenote, decided to try a set of D'Addario black nylon tapewounds on this one, since I like them so much on my filter-hot-rodded Gibson and the outcome was magnificent! If anyone is debating trying them, go for it! Worth noting though, a short-scale Alembic, like my Spoiler, will require the "medium scale" set for a perfect fit.
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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2024, 07:06:48 PM »
Another positive outcome, looks great!  I might give those tape wounds a try 😊

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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2024, 04:40:03 AM »
Another positive outcome, looks great!  I might give those tape wounds a try 😊

The thing I really like about these tapewounds in particular is that, along with the warm yet very articulate tone and great sustain, they have a kind of velvety satin finish to them. Most other tapewounds have a shiny kind of finish and they feel kind of plasticky, but also have a plasticky clack on the frets that you can hear, even through magnetic pickups. The velvety satin finish of the D'Addarios eliminates that factor and they just feel kind of luxurious to me. The tension is what I would consider Low/Medium. Even though the gauges are on the heavier end of the spectrum, the tension comes from the light gauge roundwounds that are underneath the outer layer of nylon. Some players I've talked to about tapes and flats seem to think it's the same as just rolling off the treble on their roundwounds, but I know for a fact there's more to it than that. Every type of string vibrates differently and especially on an Alembic, which captures in hi-fi detail the nuances of the string, you get a wonderfully unique result from these strings. That said, if sizzly bright slap tone is a must for your musical applications, they're probably not the right string. Sound great with pick and fingerstyle though!

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Re: FatBoy hum
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2024, 05:43:14 PM »
😀 :D