I tried to buy both of these for stock, but the guy had a meltdown when he did not see the numbers go up 5 days before the auction end. They never do until the last ten seconds of an EBAY auction. He told me his wife just passed away, and that he did not have his wits about him to even give me details about the basses. I left him with an email saying I was game to pay fair market value, but he never followed up. I moved on and found a killer 5 string Essence in figured koa for a great price instead.