Author Topic: mica, help! Bass guitar switching jack incompatible with amphenol 1/4" plug  (Read 923 times)

cyclecamper

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Mica, help!

My new-to-me/used Alembic Exploiter has an excellent 1/4' Switchcraft tip-sleeve jack that also has additional contacts that connect the battery to turn the preamp on and off when plug insertion causes an arm (like a ring connector) with a nylon button insulator to push another contact arm to close two other contacts.

The problem is that it is incompatible with the Amphenol 1/4" plugs as used on some Mogami silver cables.  These are the cheapest Mogami cables (still expensive by most standards).  it seems the Amphenol plugs stay plugged in very well when used with simple 2-terminal tip/sleeve jacks; the tip has less of a land before the insulator, and the reduced-diameter groove is a bit broader and deeper trench than most.  It may also be interesting to note that Amphenol was recently subject to an unprecedented stop order from the US military due to use of Chinese suppliers that didn't meet spec.  Anyway, all the lesson rooms where I am a student are supplied with these cheapest Mogami cables that don't turn on my bass if plugged in all the way.  I have to plug in half-way...then it works fine.  Fully inserted, the jack contacts connect with the plug tip and sleeve surfaces fine, but the additional contacts in the jack to connect the battery don't connect to turn on the preamp.  I use my bass with a dozen different brands of cables at home without ever having any problems, including the Whirlwind labelled plugs that appear to be identical to the Amphenol ones they have at lessons that don't work with this bass.  The jack contacts seem fine, the internal springy 'arms" seem fine and have good tension and shape.  There doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the jack itself, except that it is a bit fussy that it only works with plugs that meet a narrow spec.

However, I really would like this bass to work with a broad range of plugs, including these.  Looking at the nylon insulators it looks to me like the jack is an Amphenol 4-terminal 11 series, a 113 would be a tip open circuit and isolated "make" circuit when plug is inserted...but that has a shorter .276-long 3/8-32 threaded neck.

Apparently my bass teacher supplied all the Mogami cables for the school and thinks they are the best thing since Jaco, and was quite insistent that I swap out the jack in my bass for a more conventional TRS type that has the TS plug connect the battery to ground.  This seems to me like a terrible idea that would make one hell of a pop noise upon insertion and I didn't check the circuit to see whether it's even feasible.  I've got to admit, the Mogami and Amphenol names and reputations are pretty much industry standard names as much as Switchcraft, and this incompatibility is a problem.

Please advise!

I attached the relevant portions of the Switchcraft customer drawing .pdf

cyclecamper

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OK I did some more searching on this board and found out a lot of what I needed to know!

That open-frame jack, still with switched contacts, looks like the robust way to go!  Even if I have to make room!  It means I need to do more research and planning if I want to install that "Q" switch too!

Please let me know how to order:
- the "Q" switch
- the bigger open-frame jack
- the replacement saddle you mentioned in your earlier email to me.
gregorypinkowski@verizon.net

mica

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You can tune the tension in the jack you have if you are very careful.

To bend the tab in the existing Switchcraft L113 jack (the L is for the longer bushing), use needle nose pliers and work carefully. Please note that if you bend it too far, you can leave the connector in a state where it is on all the time. It's also possible to fatigue the metal, so you don't want to go back and forth or it can snap off. Even if you are careful, you can break the part, but if you're willing to replace it anyway, you might as well try it first so that you keep the most room in your cavity for other mods you are interested in.

If you want to order any parts, you can email or call me with the details.

cyclecamper

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Hmm, I was probably trying to bend the wrong one, the springy one, instead.  I was a bit desperate as my lesson started...ended up just inserting the plug half-way.

keith_h

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Why don't you just use your own cable?

cyclecamper

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Because my lesson was starting, I didn't have my own cable, and I don't want to worry about it not working with some cables, as the Amphenol plugs are very common.

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Personally, I'd change the cable to match the Alembic as opposed to changing the Alembic to match the cable.  Kind of like you have a car that needs new tires, you have a set of tires that are the wrong size for the car, so you buy new axles and wheels that fit the tires rather than buying a set of tires that fits the car.

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maarten⊙

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Buy a Grolsch beer, the one with the flip-top, remove ther rubber washer that's often use as a strap lock from the top and when you have to use the amphenolphenol jack put it through the Grolsch washer before you plug it into your bass. Maybe it works. Otherwise you have a nice dutch beer after all.
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I have found that the moulded plastic jacks such as planet waves classic are the worst in my alembics as they seem be a bit short and don't stay in the socket. Next is the ones with a kind of spring assembly on the shaft which is supposed to hold it in the socket better. Nope it pushes the jack out.
The rest are hit and miss some basses they are fine but others they push out. Most of my leads now I have changed the instrument ends of the leads Neutrix right angled jacks and don't have problems with those on any instrument. Fender leads are pretty ok too.
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I've had the same experience as Jazzy with the Planet Waves and Mogami cords. They're nice, but my Alembics don't like 'em, and spit them out. I found some ordinary 1/4" straight/right-angle patch cords 3' long... I plug the right angle end into my bass, run the rest of the cord through my belt loops, then using a female-to-female adapter, I connect this patch cord to my instrument cable to the amp, and stick one loop of it in my hip pocket.

This is kind of an extra safety thing... it provides an easy breakaway point in case the cable gets stepped on (or in my case, hooked on a hyperactive guitar player's feet) causing a hard yank on the front-mounted jack. It's probably just another one of those crazy OCD things I do.  ::)