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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2004, 10:25:54 PM »
Mingus Ah Um is one of my all-time favorites. I've also spent a little time (not nearly enough...) on Pork Pie Hat, using the following chords:
 
Head:
 
| Eb 7     B9      | EM7     A7b5     | Db 9     B9      | Db 9     Eb 7    |
| Ab m7    B13#11  | Fm7     Bb 7#5#9 | C7b5     F13     | B7       EM7     |
| A7b5     Ab 7    | Bb 7    Db 9     | Eb 7     B7      | EM7      A7b5    |
 
Solo:
 
| Ebm9M7   Abm9    |        %         |         %        | Ebm9M7   Eb7#9   |
| Ab m9            | B13#11  Bb 7#5#9 | Eb m9M7  Ab 7b5  |         %        |
| Cm7b5  x x F7#5#9 | F#m9 x B9b5 Bb 7#5#9 | Eb m9M7  Ab 13   | Eb m9M7  Bb 7#5  |
 
Looks like we must be working in different keys, but I think it's pretty well accepted that Mingus used Eb. For other alternatives and further discussion, try a Google search of Usenet Groups, specifically rec.music.bluenote. As a starting point, anything you see by a guy named Marc Sabatella is probably good, though there are quite a few other extremely knowledgable people.
 
(m = minor, M = Major, some odd spacing so I don't read Eb7 as E with a flatted seventh == E7)

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2004, 10:56:33 PM »
Adriaan: It's all good! I love music of all styles: a great player is a great player irregardless of musical genre. Like Effclef, It is rare to find a King's X afficianado. Give them a listen, you might just like 'em.
 
Effclef: Yeah, they still rock. Doug is well into his fifties and still sounds great. Ty may be the most underated guitarist in music, and the self-taught Jerry absolutely kills the drums. I Had an extra ticket I couldn't give away. Everyone I asked said who are they? That is one band that never compromised their sound to sell records or gain airplay. After I heard over my head in '89, I was hooked. BTW, they did play Dogman and it rocked! I only have their first five albums (cds? LOL). After this show, I gotta finish my collection and buy the rest. If you go on their website, you can access their old MTV videos, and bootlegs of shows throughout their career amongst other things.

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2004, 07:36:41 AM »
Bob; thanks!!  That works much better!  I don't know where the lead sheet I have came from, but your chords make a lot more sense.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2004, 03:13:12 PM »
Dave,
Is that a start for a new string of ANEC jokes, are you trying to convey a dislike for Charles Ives, or is it an honest confession? I'll go for the last option ... Part two has the famous colliding brass bands but part three is very high on atmosphere: he evokes some magnificent landscape vignettes with a very personal touch. The lines of poetry he added in the score indicate an early environmentalist concern, and you can sort of hear the pollution creeping in. Michael Tilson Thomas did a great recording with the San Francisco Symphony (Charles Ives, An American Journey).
 
KMH,
Though I cannot agree that it is all good (that would imply I have no dislikes) I sure agree many a thing of beauty is waiting beyond one's horizon. However, I must draw the line at guitar heroics: though obviously there are guitarists around who are great musicians, most guitar heroes make music with little or no emotional charge - that is: as far as I can make out. But to each his own, and so enjoy what you can.
 
Bob,
Thanks for the changes! I've been trying by ear at the piano for ages, but never got anywhere near convincing myself I was close.

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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2004, 04:57:47 PM »
Adriann; no, I do not have a dislike for Charles Ives.  My CD collection is sorely lacking of a lot of things that I think it should have and wish that it did have.  As a result, there are pieces of music that I like for which I don't have a copy, often don't know the name, and am sometimes even unsure of the composer.  An example is Aaron Copeland; I like a lot of his stuff but don't have one CD.  There is a melody from a Shaker hymn of the mid 19th century that Aaron Copeland adapted in his Appalachian Spring Suite; a love that piece of music and play a crude arrangement of it on my bass.  It would be nice to have a copy of Copeland's arrangement; but it would be nice to have a copy of a lot of things.  So yes, it's an honest confession.  There is simply more great music than there is available time to listen and money to spend.
 
And yes, thanks again Bob!  I spent some enjoyable time this afternoon working on voicings.

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2004, 03:43:39 AM »
Hm, I was thinking I had one Copland recording, but it turns out it's Antheil's Ballet M?canique conducted by HK Gruber (who is also known for his work with Mingus material).
 
A few years ago I went to hear Leonard Slatkin conduct the Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam with a modern American programme. There was a boring trombone concerto (Rouse?), Adams' Short Ride in a Fast Machine and an Ives' symphony - must have been Nr 4.
 
The Adams piece was nice and entertaining, but clearly it's already dated, and the Ives was just timeless. There was a second conductor to help out with the shifting rhythmic planes, there was a second concert grand tuned sharp - huge orchestra and chorus - simply an astounding event. Eventhough it was the oldest piece being played, it certainly didn't sound as if it was, and it got the biggest response from the audience.

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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2004, 10:42:45 AM »
Adriaan: music is music is music. Whatever someone likes is good to _them_ and that's all that matters.  
 
But would you believe I found a copy of Mingus Ah Um at a flea market, before reading your suggestion, just a week ago? It is still in line for playing but I am looking forward to hearing and enjoying it. I do have one other Mingus disc around here somewhere.
 
I believe that music of all types has value and different players resonate with different listeners. There is only good and bad based on the subjective viewpoint. What was bad yesterday is good today and vice versa.  
 
That being said, I also believe that a musical ear can mature and grow over time, and because of this, the listener can then seek out and enjoy new and different musical forms (like Mingus) once he has explored all he can of bands with power chords and 4/4 rhythm!
 
When you say London train station, are you referring to King's Cross? The name King's X has been debated for years and I don't even know if the band itself has admitted how they chose it. I think King's X is also related to a game of hide-and-seek.
 
At the least, their rock is more cerebral than lots of what is out there today, and the three guys do harmony vocals fairly well.  
 
kmh: well as you go forward in your King's X collection you will hear the de-tuning degeneration of Doug! But it does work, in places. I still wish he'd hang an Alembic around his neck and record.
 
Ty, I agree, is under-appreciated. He has had some amazingly prolific solo projects: Platypus, Jelly Jam, Jughead, his own self-titled discs... Doug has done Supershine and Poundhound. It seems that they make just as much music with other people as they do together, but maybe that is what KEEPS them together.
 
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2004, 12:17:36 PM »
Big fan of both Stanley and King's X. Last I checked Doug had a deal with Yamaha. They were always airtight live and Doug's strong vocals against his rhythmic bass lines still inspire me. Although they parted ways with Sam Taylor who produced them Galatic Cowboys and Atomic Opera, they still put out good cd's. I've seen a few shows with both King's X and Galactic. Amazing. BTW on a related note Alembic lover and bassist from another planet Trip Wamsley has joined Atomic Opera. That will be something to look forward to IMO.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2004, 06:50:51 AM »
Danno, yeah, the Yamaha deal is surely what drives it. Actually Ty has his own signature Yamaha guitar line, too.
 
As to Trip, any Alembic fan should pick up his CD called IT'S BETTER THIS WAY. Great sound, a few Alembics used on it (including the individually tuned 8 string pictured on Bass Central's site sometime back) and as a bonus, Michael Manring's on it, too.
 
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2004, 07:11:06 AM »
Trips bass is here:
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_trip.html
 
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2004, 04:12:33 PM »
Just saw the discussion on Goodbye Pork Pie Hat.
I have been studying that song on guitar for the last year. I have the sheet music for it, from Mingus: more than a fake book; my teacher worked out an arrangement with melody and chords played together; very hard, but grat sounding. First chord there is Eb#9 then B13. If anyone is interested in the whole thing, drop me a line.
I played it (read: butchered it) at a recital my teacher organized last month. I got great audience response, though I thought I had been terrible; I had never played that bad in practice, so of course I had to suck at the recital. My teacher said it was ok, but agreed that I had always played it better than that.  
Oh well. I'll do better next time.
 
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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2004, 06:04:14 PM »
hi guys have not posted for a while as i have finished at university for a while my friend did a solo bass version of goodbye porkpie hat for his grading that was well recived

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2004, 11:58:27 PM »
Well there you go, Val, maybe you should have tried it on bass instead!
 
Look, I can't tell from your post whether you were really bummed, or taking it in stride. In fact, just earlier tonight I was thinking about how this thread came to an end on a sad note, but then minty brought it back to life.
 
It's a hard song, man. I wouldn't have the nerve to try more than the first few bars, in front of a good and non-judgemental friend...
 
Your comments remind me of one of the last times I played in public. This was back around 8th grade, roughly 35 years ago, and I played Malaguena (there's a wavy thing over the 'n') as a solo on classical guitar in the annual talent show. It was a large school, so the audience was over 800, and it was a bit of a shock when these huge curtains drew back across the stage and the gymnasium was packed wall to wall.
 
My best friend, who got me started on guitar back in 3rd grade by teaching me the theme song to the TV show 'Bonanza' (which I thought was really cool at the time) came up to me afterwards and said he had never heard me play that well.
 
Sometimes the pressure helps, sometimes it hurts, but it's best to just ignore it as much as possible and get into the song. I think that's especially advised with something like Pork Pie Hat - you've got to just feel it, not try to repeat a carefully practiced sequence of fingerings.
 
To this day, people are still analyzing the structure and theory, trying to dissect the progressions and scales of this song, and I can't help thinking that Mingus must be laughing in his grave. It's more of an emotion, than a composition, in my mind.
 
Don't think about whether you'll 'do better next time' - just sing.
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