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David Houck

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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2008, 08:07:00 PM »
It's been added to this thread in the Must Reads section.

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2008, 07:37:37 AM »
I don't know exactly what technically is happening in terms of frequency manipulation, although I have a reasonable idea (some seem to really understand what they are doing with Q switches)
Whichever way, I have played around and recorded to play back the sounds that I really like and then taken a picture of the settings with the camera on my cell phone and named them. Pbass, Jbass, back pick up, Jimmy Johnson etc etc.
I suppose its a bit long winded but it means I can look up the best sounds I have found when I have time to really listen (ie when the studio is not costing the producer ?1500 for the morning)
Jake

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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2008, 06:47:02 PM »
Mike,
 
I'm assuming that your SC arrived- what are your impressions now that you have a bass with 2 filters to compare with?

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 04:52:48 PM »
I'm not sure exactly what Ron W's motivations were in developing the original Q circuit was, but you're all aware that in addition to his work at Ampex, he operated a recording studio as well, so he had access and experience with high-powered studio gear.  
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the motivation were to develop a very characteristic alternative to the very simple conventional controls that were common at the time.  
 
The Series filter is a low-pass filter that does something a passive filter can't do - it adds a very strong resonance around the corner frequency.  That's what that pointy peak on the frequency response curve is in the old diagrams above.  The basic flavor of the circuit is a regular low-pass filter.  When you turn down a conventional low-pass tone control, you're sweeping the frequency of the filter downward and filtering out the highs.  There's no bump at the corner freq, so the highs just sort of disappear.  This is how the Series circuit works when the Q switch is turned to the 1st (or most off position) or a CVQ is all the way down.  
 
When you flip the Q switch to one of the other positions, the EQ opamp is creating a pretty huge and narrow boost right at the corner frequency.  If you turn the Q to the 3rd position and rotate the filter knob, you're shifting the corner frequency as before, but the resonant peak is shifting around with it and you'll perceive that as a wah effect if there's any output in it's range.
 
The circuit is not working like a parametric EQ, but, if you've used one before, tuning a parametric is often like what you hear using the Q-circuit - you boost or cut in a narrow, specific range, then slide it around to find where you want it to act, then drop the level and bandwidth to refine your tone.  
 
So, with the addition of the Q-switch, you keep everything you had before (switch in pos #1) and get something new and totally different, but relatively easy to use.  
 
There probably was some temptation to put a full pararmetric EQ on board, but it's more knobs, and more complexity in explaining how the controls interact to somebody who's not a gearhead.  Same with having a bandpass rather than low-pass filter - useful for some, but a confusing knob that makes your bass freqs disappear for many.  The sophisticated user can add a parametric or bank of parametric EQs in their signal chain, but everybody benefits by a simple to use knob that does something really unusual but doesn't screw up your tone too much no matter what you do.
 
Just a guess,
 
David Fung

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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2008, 06:29:30 PM »
Toby
I REALLY love the SC.  Having a filter per PU and a blend control makes it much more...flexable.  But what I'm really jazzed about is the short scale.  You can really motor-scooter around on it.  Since this post I have also aquired a Series I.  Until I got my Alembics, I had NEVER used the tone controls on my guitars (just put everything on 11 and go for it).  For that matter, (other then my FJ) I never bought a bass with anything other than a bridge PU.  I'm really having to learn a whole new approach to bass playing (having a blast doing it!).

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2008, 07:32:33 PM »
0 to 60 huh?  from a no fiddle approach to a Series I (tone tweaker heaven) in very little time.  
 
Glad to hear you're enjoying what Alembic brings to the table.  Be sure to post some pictures in the showcase threads when you have the opportunity.
 
Toby

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2008, 07:52:14 PM »
Here's what I do.  I fiddle with all the knobs and switches until I find the tone I like.  I make a mental note of it.  Then I dial it in when I need it.  Graphs and charts both scare the bejesus out of me and bore me.  To me, it's all about what you hear.  That's how I approach my Alembics - I tweak it until I hear a tone I like, simple as that.  
 
    I'm not casting aspersion on those who take a more technical bent to such things - far from it.  I just think that some folks might get too involved in the techical end of things as opposed to the more natural end of things, namely, you know a good tone when you hear it, regardless of technology.  That's how I personally approach my Alembics, and it's worked for me thus far.
 
Alan
 
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