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Dunadan1

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Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« on: March 04, 2023, 08:34:51 AM »
Why are there so few 5 sting Stanley Clarke basses?
Why are there so few short scale Alembic 5 string Basses?

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2023, 08:58:51 AM »
I guess, not too many people have custom ordered 5 string Stanley Clarke basses compared to 4 string. I only know of one which is owned by club member hieronymous ( hope i spelt that right )
https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8658.0

There is a short scale Orion that has been up for sale on Reverb for a while now. Ticks all the right boxes for me except price and location.
https://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=27323.0
Are you looking for one?
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JimmyJ

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2023, 10:18:13 AM »
If you're talking about a low-B setup I think the longer string length may be beneficial to get that low fundamental.  Keep in mind the string length of a 3/4 size upright is over 40". A high-C setup might make more sense as a short scale, more of a bass "guitar".  Just my opinion.

Jimmy J

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2023, 12:03:46 PM »
I have one (jazzyvee spelled it right!) - I think the low B is the main issue - I just put an Alembic low-B string and it's better than the custom LaBella nickel round wound I was using - that just sounded like a dull thud!

I note in my thread that jazzyvee linked to that I remember reading/hearing that Alembic didn't want to do any more short scale low B strings, but I have a feeling they would if you asked nicely...

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2023, 12:08:17 PM »
If you're talking about a low-B setup I think the longer string length may be beneficial to get that low fundamental.  Keep in mind the string length of a 3/4 size upright is over 40". A high-C setup might make more sense as a short scale, more of a bass "guitar".  Just my opinion.

Jimmy J

Agree about the longer scale length generally being better suited to a B-string. But... it is interesting to note that Alembic made three Series II six-string basses for Phil Lesh a number of years ago. When he ordered the first one he wanted a short-scale bass and Mica kind of talked him out of it thinking short-scale would not give him the kind of B-string response he would be happy with. Alembic made him a medium scale Balance K Series II six-string. He subsequently ordered a similar six-string Series II but this time as short-scale. Mica was surprised at how good the response on the B-string was and Phil was happy enough with it to order a third six-string, once again short-scale. He has been playing the short-scale basses for about ten years now, not sure how often he plays the medium scale. Since he used short-scale basses for many years in the 60s and 70s Phil was happy to return to short-scale because of the ease of playing for him due to years of short-scale muscle memory.

IMO one con to a five-string Stanley bass is the body shape which lends itself to a certain amount of neck-dive, the extra weight at the headstock for the fifth string tuning key would make it worse. It is actually pretty amazing that Stanley can play a short-scale instrument due to his rather large hands but obviously it works for him. There is no one-size fits all approach at Alembic and that is one of the strengths of the company... they can make whatever works for the individual player, especially if you ask nicely ;)

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2023, 12:46:19 PM »
I know of at least one more Stanley Clarke Signature 5 other than Hieronymous' bass, it's a maple-topped one. I do believe it was originally strung E-C. But point taken, there aren't many... I'm guessing they sound like a better idea than they would actually work out for a lotta' folks.


Hieronymous seems to do just fine with his though! (check out his YT)

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2023, 02:07:47 PM »
I think Stanley Clarke received one as well when it first came out.

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2023, 02:20:15 PM »
I had a 31" scale Essense in Blue w/ leds but refinished in black. It was fun but it was sold on years ago.

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Re: Why so few Stanley 5 strings?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2023, 03:25:16 PM »
Ah, Steven has a great point - Phil Lesh's "new" basses are evidence that it can work! BUT - I believe he uses very light string gauges and picks very lightly. The threads on here make reference to these issues if I remember correctly...

YES! Here are the string gauges (custom DR): .040 .055 .070 .085 .100 .115

Found in this thread: Phil Lesh and his short scale Series