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hdfixer

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Re: 5-pin cable
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2020, 12:07:32 PM »
I purchased a very useful "third hand" type vice which has a couple of alligator clips on ball joints, and a magnifying glass to boot for $10 on Amazon which made soldering my own 5 pin cables a snap.  And yes a solder sucker or wick is handy for desoldering!

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Re: 5-pin cable
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2020, 03:30:42 PM »
Speaking as a guy who makes his living soldering, having a good iron is crucial. I've heard that this one is decent www.parts-express.com/stahl-tools-stssvt-variable-temperature-soldering-iron-station--374-100 although I use a Hakko 888 myself. Also keeping your tip clean with one of these (don't use a wet sponge, it shortens tip life) www.parts-express.com/soldering-iron-tip-cleaner--370-369 . Beyond that, it's practice practice.

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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2020, 01:00:41 PM »
I like the tips and tricks.  Thanks guys!

hdfixer - funny thing, my neighbor moved to Las Vegas a little over a year ago and purged a bunch of stuff from his basement, and of course I was happy to take his "stuff".  I am pretty darn sure I have one of those 'third hand' thingies from him!  :-D


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Re: 5-pin cable
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2020, 11:24:31 PM »
Soldering is pretty easy, but soldering *well* can be hard! 

As has been mentioned, if you want to get good solder joints, you need to quickly heat the wire/lug to a temperature which will cause the solder to liquefy and flow into the joint, something on the order of 400F.  The soldering iron tip is much hotter than that, so the solder will liquefy quickly when it touches the tip, but if the pieces being connected are not heated to a temp where the solder will be liquid, it won't flow into the joint and make a solid connection.  That's when you get lumpy connections.  If the things being solder are way too cold, then the liquid solder will crystallize when it hits the joint, which makes a dull-colored cold solder joint.  These are really bad because they have higher resistance than a correct solder joint.  That won't matter much at the low voltage of your guitar's electronics, but if you make a joint like that in the hot connections of a solid state power amplifier, the extra resistance will cause those joints to heat up.

You have to make the connection hot, then let solder flow in, and hold it completely still until the solder has cooled, otherwise you'll again get a cold solder joint. 

Solder used to be 40% lead, but lead is frowned on these days because of toxicity, so the solder you buy today is a usually a different mixture which requires more heat and is a little harder to solder with.  You can get a better connection with silver solder, which requires even higher temps to work with.

Guitar parts are somewhat harder to solder than a PC board.  Getting a connection on the back of a pot means heating up a very big piece of metal compared to a tiny PC trace on a board.  Soldering 1/4" connectors are particularly hard because there's a lot of metal again (and there will be physical stress on the ends later).   Fortunately, the 5-pin XLR connector used by Series basses are pretty easy as you're only heating that little solder pot connection.

Since this is the Alembic board, I shouldn't get called down for saying that the equipment that you use makes a huge difference.  You can solder guitar electronics with a 35w solder pen for $20, but it's hard to quickly build up the heat you need.  A temperature controller soldering iron costs a lot more, but can put a lot of heat into a joint to make a good connection and uses special tips so you can dial in the temp you want.  I use a really old Weller WTC which was an old standard for electronics. 

Your "hygiene" techniques make a huge difference too.  Electronic solder has a rosin core.  When you heat the solder, the rosin liquefies and flows over the joint which cleans off oxidation in preparation for the solder (this is what's making the smoke too).  You can buy soldering flux which is like a paste, wipe it on something like a 1/4" connector and it will really help make a clean and effective join.  Also, the hot tip of the soldering iron gets covered with oxides as well, which don't conduct heat very well.  So you really want to clean the tip of external oxides, then touch a tiny bit of solder to coat the tip right before you make the connection.  This is the purpose of a sponge or the little ball of golden tinsel that you use to clean the soldering iron tip before use.  Easy and inexpensive to use and makes a big difference. 

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Re: 5-pin cable
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2020, 03:06:49 AM »

Thanks David.

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Re: 5-pin cable
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2020, 05:40:53 PM »
If anyone has been thinking about ordering one of Ray Raydecker's five-pin cables he is currently having a sale. 20% off on everything until tomorrow night... (Monday 11/30).

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2020, 07:51:29 PM »
Another vote for https://rayraydecker.com He is a wonderfully positive guy who owns a beautiful Flame Walnut Series 1 . I'm getting a 5 pin in colors to match my Series 2 6 in production, a 16 ft lead in red for the studio and a 25ft lead to match the 5 pin. His choice of colors and connectors is truly impressive.

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2020, 10:12:23 PM »
For some reason I really dig unusual colored cables.   I have a purple 5-pin for my Alembic that I got several years ago from Bayou Cables based on a recommendation from this forum.   

I see from you FTC thread, Danno, that your getting black with red stripe cables!   Most excellent!   Looking forward to watching your new one progress.  I assume it will, of course, be black?

Bill, tgo

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2020, 08:15:31 PM »
Why Yes, it will be black. Basically a Medium scale Phil Lesh 6 Omega (not heart) with black hardware, my DT cross inlay from my Kay bass and a 2nd custom I had done, (cross is red) Red rays on the Inlay logo and some slight red accents on the crest inlay. Red leds of course. It will go well with the Moody black and red straps I have. I've never even played a series 1 or 2 so I imagine I'm in for a real experience. I'm pushing 60 now so it was about time. So even the cables will match! Should be arriving soon from Raydecker. I'm a very lucky guy. Thank God I didn't have to pass this by any senior management!