Hello Mica!
 
Just a quick note- I'll be sending you a set of DR High-Beams (.45-105)out this weekend. It's what I generally use on the animals. Might as well put 'em on from the start. Just put the Alembic Strings ( if ya have a similar gauge set) in the case when it's shipped. I'm sure I can put them on something!
 
Thanxxx again, Mike =]

Make sure you have a B string in there.

Make sure you have a B string in there.

Duh. 45-125!!!! Thanks for the heads up!!
 
 Mike=]

Side jacks take up more room, so that's right out.
 
The Anniversary cavity is the same size as the Series I/II cavity, but the Series I/II has a separate battery compartment, where your bass doesn't. The bass and treble controls were an add-on, and frankly, I don't think it's possible to add everything in the available space with any degree of comfort. So we've got to talk options.
 
One option is to convert back to Signature electronics and then you'd have a volume and blend instead of 2 volume controls illustrated. You'd lose stereo too, so that's where the LED switch could live.  
 
You could also kill the idea of the added bass and treble controls. Then there would be enough room for me to play with getting a master volume and an LEDs switch in there in a logical manner.  
 
Or, since the toggle switches take up much less room than the pots and their circuit cards, you could also change the Orion-like bass and treble controls to Europa-like bass and treble switches.  
 
The last and most unattractive option for me is to leave the control list at the 12 stated items. There's only two routes to go there. One is to have things just really too close together, and the other is to route a separate battery compartment to give more room in the main compartment. The latter will take more time, since we've already rubbed out the bass and it will likely need some refinishing after cutting a new cavity.  
 
Digest these options and let me know what you think.

Is there an echo?

Hellooo, Mica. Hmmmmm.Lemme mull this over. I had a feeling this was gonna happen. I think the most logical option is just to trash the Master Volume idea, and see if there would be enough room somewhere for the LED switch. That would leave me with the same tone options. I dunno. Maybe trash the Bass and Treble. Is it REALLY necessary with the Q switches and filters? A separate cavity is definately out, and as usual, you're right. It would just be too cluttered and probably a pain to use, especially live. Let me research this over the weekend, maybe get some feedback from more knowledgeable Alembecians, and I'll get with you early in the week.
Thanxxxxx, Mica, have a great weekend! Mike=`
 
(Message edited by 5stringho on February 09, 2008)

Mike,
 
I have Signature electronics with the Rogue bass/treble switches.
 
I can tell you that I have NEVER used the bass/treble switches live and I rarely use them when I'm fiddling around at home.  I tweak the filters and Q's constantly, but if I want more bass or treble I just adjust on the amp.
 
If you're already used to using the controls on your amp to boost/cut your bass/treble response then you might not miss the bass/treble controls on the bass.
 
Good luck
Toby

Hey,Toby-I really appreciate your input. I considered the Bass/treble switches, but on my Excel, I RARELY turn my Bass/treble control knobs all the way up (6dB) boost, and never turn them all the way down, and the swithes are set @ +6dB boost. It would clip my Eden. I set everything flat, and, like you, constantly fiddle with the controls. I've never had filters and Q's before, so I would prefer to keep the Bass/Treble knobs. Me being a control freak again =(. I also change basses quite a bit (which I HOPE I won't have to do once the new one arrives!) and much prefer to not have to change the amp settings. Our soundman whines and snivels.
If we do away with anything, it will probably be the Master Volume. It would be nice, but I have other bass with the individual volumes, and I find a way to work with them. I could probably adjust:}, but I want to explore all the scenarios.
I thank you again for your thoughts, stay tuned!!
Have fun, Mike, tho =]

Hello, Mica!! Hope you had a great weekend!
 
  First of all, idea; Do you, or have you, ever used stacked pots? I don't recall seeing any in the archives, but if that's an option, a stacked Bass/Treble set would be fine, and we could keep the Master Volume with a minimum of hassle. Just a thought. I would really like to keep all the controls if we can.
  If that idea is not possible, choice #2. From my research and some very helpful input from other Alembic owners, most notably Mark Shepherd, here is what may be an option to work in all the controls in an a attractive and functional manner:
   Mark's 8 string has the same number of knobs, and more switches, so I think this will work! I really like the design you came up with, and this keeps the basic configuration while working in the additional Master Volume control and toggle.
   Looking at your layout, 1) begin by spreading the knobs on the upper and lower row as far out and close to the cavity edge as possible.
2)Add the Master volume where the Neck volume currently lives.
3) Move the neck volume where the 4-way is now, leaving the Bridge volume as is, just closer to the bridge as earlier stated (you'll see...)That keeps the volume controls all in line and order.
4) Move to 4-way to where the Q's are on the bottom row.
5) Next, adjust the output up just a hair, to make it symmetrical with the rest of the middle row, while placing it as close as possible to the cavity edge towards the bridge end.
6) since the toggles are more space efficient, this should work-Place the Stereo/mono switch logically next to the output.
7)Bridge Q toggle next, bridge filter knob follows.
Neck filter knob, with neck q toggle to the left. Move the 2 filter nobs minutely closer together if necessary, but of course as far apart as possible.
9) LED toggle last in line, closest to the cavity edge towards the neck.
10) Bottom row- Bass control, 4-way p/u selector switch, treble control, all spread out symmetrically to mirror the top row.
  Mica, you are the expert and know how much can be done, the final call is up to you as to whether this will work or not, but it appears to me to be logical, attractive and functional. What do you think?? Workable?
  If not, do you have any other idea's on how we could work this up? I would rather exhaust all options and explore all scenarios before we start deleting things. I hope I'm not being too much of a pain, as it is not my intention. I would just like to have my ultimate Bass! But, I'd also like my own Island in the Caribbean =)
  One more minor detail- with the single set of Bass/Treble controls on Anniversary Electronics I believe in Stereo mode they will only work on 1 pickup? If that is the case, which pickup would not have the control? I can deal with that, as I'll probably only run mono for now live, probably using stereo mostly while recording. Just wanna know.
   Welllll, just check this all over an let me know whatcha think. I definately don't wanna rout out anything else. I kinda want my bass!!!!!!  
 
  Have a great day, and have fun!! TTY, Mike=]

Hartmut's doubleneck has concentric knobs, Mike, but I seem to recall (and the search function is going WAY too slow on my computer today, so I don't have a link for this) Mica writing that Ron said he wouldn't do that again.
 
Peter

Or (I know, Oh, Gosh, here he goes again)
 
1) Top row as stated above.
2) Bottom row as stated above
Middle row:
3) Output as stated above
4) Bridge and neck filters basically same as above, in the center of the spread.
5) Place bridge Q under bridge Volume, sorta between the top and middle row, stereo/mono under Q toggle, between middle and bottom row.
6) place Neck Q toggle in same position to the neck side between the upper and middle row.
7) place LED toggle under Q toggle, between middle and bottom row.
 
Maybe this is more logical? I drew out a diagram of both, but I can't post it, too big. Gotta figure out how to resize if I can.
 
Lemme know whatcha think, Have fun, Mike=]

Mike, I wanted to keep your Changes/Additions section clean, so I'm posting a response here.  If your Excel is clipping your Eden when the bass and treble controls are turned up, you might try opening the control cavity and backing off on the trim pot a little.

Thanks, Dave! I'll try that. I've noticed the Eden is MUCH more sensitive than my former Italian amp, which shall forever remain nameless. I havn't had the Eden long, so I need to play with it more and, unfortunately, IT had to go back to the manufacturer, but they are making much more of an attempt to rectify the difficulties than the last one. But that is the subject for another thread! I'll try the trim pot's, though. Thanxxxx again, Mike, tho =]

Can you email me your diagrams? Then I can make sure I'm really following your descriptions when I try and rearrange things.  
 
Concentric controls are not an option at this time.  
 
Normally, the bass and treble controls would be for one pickup only in either stereo or mono. It is possible to out the stereo/mono switch before the bass and treble controls, so they are always on the tip of the output. This will have it affect the bass (neck) pickup in stereo, but both in mono. It's a little custom wiring harness, but completely possible to do.