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Alembic products => Dreaming... for now => Topic started by: rami on March 21, 2008, 07:47:10 AM
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Last month's Baritone 12 string really blew my mind:
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_leo12.html (http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_leo12.html)
I imagine a 6 X 12 string double neck with both necks 30 scale baritones. Same body style as that custom.
Purpleheart body with Macassar Ebony top and back bookmatched to center, continuous wood everything (including pickups).
Purpleheart necks with ebony laminates......
(Message edited by rami on March 21, 2008)
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Do it Rami! Do it!!
Seriously though, that would be incredibly cool and probably close to 30lbs I'd imagine.
(Message edited by tbrannon on March 21, 2008)
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I want to...so, so, so badly!!!! I've never stared as obsessively at a featured custom as I have at this one:
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_leo12.html (http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_leo12.html)
Nor have I ever been as tempted......
But there's the daunting thought of what it would cost!
YIKES!!!!!
(:0
P.S. I don't usually share my design thoughts out of a mortal fear that somebody else might actually build it - but since I know that It's beyond my means, hopefully someone will build it so I can buy it used sometime down the road!
Um.... I think I'll just sit here and hold my breath waiting for that to happen....
;)
(Message edited by rami on March 21, 2008)
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Something like this? (quick PaintShopPro job)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/49954.jpg)
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VERY NICE!!!
But I'd make the necks more parallel with the headstocks as close together as possible. The 12 string on top and a 6 string below. Of course, different woods and other options and electronics. But that's a nice visual starting point!
(Message edited by rami on March 24, 2008)
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It has a 5 degree angle between the necks.
With that you get good clearence between the necks and the tailpiece can be made as one single piece. And the body gets slightly narrower.
The necks should be closer to each other. (I said it was a quick job)
Spent more time on this earlier experiment.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/49963.jpg)
On this it's the pickups that dictates the width, they get close to each other.
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Am am I I seeing seeing double? double?
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Crap!
No matter how hard I try, I can't get it to double post!!!
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DAMN!!! That's nice!!!!! I think that's one of Valentino's babies.
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Yep. It's indeed Bird of Pray. A bit modified.
I'm using that basic shape for a design I'm drawing in Autocad, but the necks are different, unlike BoP they are fretted.
Upper neck is a 36 6-string low F and the lower neck is a direct copy of 8 strings of Power.
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Here is what I have at the moment, the pistolgrip needs some work, I'm not satisfied with the omegas, and I must finish the strings.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/49987.jpg)
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I'm also designing a singelneck, based on the Essence 6 body, even more streched upper horn, and a flatted omega. The omega is possible due to the fingerboard having 31 frets, it's 70mm longer than the standard 24 frets. Thus the entire system, (pups,bridge,tailpiece, etc.), is moved out that much making room for an omega. The strings are not finished and I think I'm gonna redesign the pickups.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/49990.jpg)
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Wow. Just amazing! Are these simply concepts, or are you actually planning to build them?
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Cool looking ideas. That double neck 6 / 8 string bass would be amazingly heavy... wow.
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Rob,
Love the designs!
Are you working in 3D in Autocad?
Really nice renderings, great work.
What version Acad are you running?
I have some Acad experience and also some metal working exp too.
Kris
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I must add that after changing the strings on my guitarist's Gibson EDS-1275, having the headstocks closer together would prevent the use of a string winder which makes for a frustrating situation.....deep breath aaand go! I'd opt for a little bit of angle between the necks just for this purpose alone, kind of like Pete Townsend's aahem..modified Gibson.
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I like the EDS-1275. I considered buying one many times over the years, but I just couldn't justify its price. The Epiphone G-1275 makes more sense. It's based on Jimmy Page's doubleneck. It actually plays and sounds better than the Gibson at less than 1/3 the price. I think this is mainly due to the location of the tailpieces, much further back than on the Gibson resulting in greater string tension. Also, the necks are Mahogany like Page's rather than Maple on the Gibson.
I like the necks to be parallel so I can reach the lower neck more easily. I play my Basses at the same level standing as when I'm sitting. To play the lower neck of a doubleneck with the necks angled apart would have the top neck right in my face.
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While I, too, love Epiphones, I don't think you can lay any of their excellence relative to Gibsons (especially for the money) on the tailpiece placement. Tension is the result of tightening the SPEAKING LENGTH of the string mass to a particular pitch. The same mass string on the same scale length at the same pitch will have the same tension no matter how far you move the tailpiece (the same would hold true for tuning pegs).
Peter
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I disagree. String tension is a function of string mass, scale length, headstock angle, tuning peg location, neck angle, how far the strings are anchored behind the bridge, bridge height and neck relief. Anyone can tell you that there's a significant difference between the string tension on a Jazz Bass with the strings anchored through the body compared to one with the strings anchored through the bridge, or a guitar with a regular inline headstock versus a reversed inline headstock. You can increase the string tension without changing the scale length.
Perhaps I don't fully understand the definition of Speaking Length, but I know that string tension is constant throughout the length of the string from where it's anchored at both ends. The nut and bridge saddle do not hold the string securely. It's free to slide over them.
The Speaking Length varies with each note played on the string without affecting tension. But then what do I know? Maybe my fingers and ears are just telling me what I want to hear.
I'm sure that experts (such as those who build Alembics) can confirm or refute this. I'm no expert.
;)
As well, the Epiphone has Mahogany necks with a flame Maple top, the Gibson has Maple necks with no top wood. I don't know what differences lie in their pickups or any other factor (other than tailpiece location) that may affect their sounds. The Gibson costs $3500, the Epiphone cost around $900. The Gibson is made in the U.S., the Epiphone is made in Korea.
I'm not a particular fan or owner of either.
The Epiphone sounds better to me. It feels like it has greater string tension with greater sustain - in my opinion.
(Message edited by rami on March 28, 2008)
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Kris. I work mainly in AutoCAD 2002.
I've tried the latest, 2008, because 2002 is VERY unstable in Windows Vista, but I don't like the way they've changed things in it.
Rami. For now it's mostly concepts, an exercise in what I can do in Autocad, get some ideas out of my head.
It would take very long for me to save the money needed, and I don't know how to play any instrument. I just have ideas.
Maybe time to learn...
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I also passed up the opportunity to buy the John Judge when it was up for sale. Something I'll always regret:
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/50063.jpg)
It was a money issue at the time. The cost of a new one would be astronomical. I hear it has a good home. It'll probably outlive us all.
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Damn. Those heads are closer than what I draw.
Scorpion body with omega and double points. Nice.
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Yeah, the necks have to be close together to make it playable.
Here's another Alembic beauty;
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/50137.jpg)
But I can't imagine playing this (for my style of playing) simply due to the difficulty reaching the lower neck. The top neck would be almost across my face, my nose would be where the second cherub is located!
It's more art than instrument.
(Message edited by rami on March 29, 2008)
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Heh.... an idea fueled by beeing awake to long...
Learn how to play both as a rightie and a leftie...
Both necks would then be the upper one...
(I definitly need more sleep)....
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Steve Vai has/had a double-neck built that way - he'd play hammer-ons with both hands simunltaniously. A gimmick - but a very impresive one.
Peter
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Rami. If you get the neck dimensions from Mica, both for a 30 12-string and for a 30 6-string bariton,
I can do a design suggestion in AutoCAD. I won't be able to simulate the BtC, but a macassar ebony top should be possible.
Have to search the site for some good pictures. Purpleheart and normal Ebony have already been simulated (as seen in my renderings).
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I also need the string gauges and -spacing.
(sorry for doublepost)
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That's ok. I was just oohing and aahing over that 12 string baritone. I wouldn't want to see the Doubleneck too well rendered. It'll be too much of a tease!
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Hmmmmm..... why do I get a really evil thought through my mind.... hehe.... maybe it'll be fun to tease.... temptation, temptation...
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;) ... more temptation.....
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51062.jpg)
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Now you've got me thinking!
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Rob, wow, the DDW (Double Dragon Wing) is cool. Mica, I need an estimate on this (4string and 8string) Rob, you made my day..... Oliver (Spyderman)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51071.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51072.jpg)
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It's nice when some of my strange ideas can be useful for someone...
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Btw , the angle between the necks is 2.5 degrees.
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Congrats, Robert,
your strange ideas are such a tempting brain food... I need more and more and more.
The double DW made my day also, I wonder what you will come up with next
Christian
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Rob,
would it be possible for you to build me a DDW with your computer program?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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So Oliver when will we see the pictures of you and the Double Dragon? :-)
Keith
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Keith,
at first I need to raise some funds.... :-)
Maybe I should open a donation to save the DDW?s..:-)
Well I must say this thing is really growing on me....
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Guys,
btw here is a small video excerpt from our last gig.
Unfortunately only exactly 37 persons of audience.
Sorry for the bad sound; taken with a normal video cam.
What do you think?
http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c267/senmen/?action=view¤t=Viersen105.flv (http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c267/senmen/?action=view¤t=Viersen105.flv)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Oliver, I could try....
It won't be perfectly accurate, cause I only have the pictures to get the bodyshape from.
Very few of the pictures are straight from above.
Maybe Mica can give me something better to work with. And I need the correct string spacing for both necks.
4-string upper and 4+octave lower neck?
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Rob,
4 string fretless upper and 8string (4+octave lower)
Can you work with this?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51078.jpg)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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I found a good picture on FC January 2004, it will do... I hope. (I've straightened it up a bit)
I use the pickups to get the right scale.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51082.jpg)
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Early preview.
(Ignore the strange shadows in the pickup pockets)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51087.jpg)
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Rob, wow you are fast mate.
Would it be possible to change the tint to an amber
maple and have each a hum canceller installed?
Wow...
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Step two. I used a texture that's in AutoCAD, named Light Ash for the top.
How do You like the P-heart lams in the necks?
Middle one is .25, next 2: .125 and the outer ones: .0625. The 4 pieces of Maple in between are all .25.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51119.jpg)
(Message edited by Rob_the_fiend on April 24, 2008)
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I really like those purpleheart lams the way you have them.
The DW body style isn't my personal favorite, but this is certainly cool.
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Rob,
fantastic!!!
Could you put on the bridges and knobs like on my DW TFJ?
Maybe an additional selector switch for the both necks?
What about the necks? 4string fretless on top and 8string below?
Maybe the 8string with a longer DW headstock to fit the 8tuners.
Maybe 4 big and 4 small?
You are great man...
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Wow Rob,
Perhaps you can work part time for Alembic. That looks exquisite... and very, very expensive!
The Doubleneck actually makes sense with that body style. That upper portion of the wing would help with the balance. I'd go with a fretted 4 lower neck and a fretless 4 upper neck. I'd also try to get the necks still more parallel.
It should be player friendly as well as being a beautiful work of art.
My 2 cents,
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Oliver. Work in progress... patience.
How about using the standard(DW) headstock on the upper neck, and a mirrored on the lower.
That would put the bass tuners on the outside, then the smaller (shorter) guitar tuners end up on the inside.
Skip the bevel on the side of the lower peghead.
No difference in size for the -heads.
Can someone give me a blueprint for the knobs and dials?
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Rob,
sorry, didn?t want to push you. I am really happy about your skills With the headstock will not work as we need e/E a/A d/D g/G so I think we must mix between small and big ones.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Rob,
thank you so much.
Have just sent a mail to Mica and Susan rgdg a definite estimate.
So I hope we can turn this beast into reality (and you will have fun with this too)
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Ovals in place.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51698.jpg)
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Rob,
you are quick as hell. A real CAD master.
BTW I have decided only to take three stringers for the neck throughs as on my DW Tears for John.
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Considering that You are getting this as a double of the bass You already have, I understand that.
Do You mind if I keep the fading out PH lams on the renderings?
I think the three simple ones look ... boring.
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Mica. What are the diameters of the drills used to make the pockets for the string ends in the tailpiece?
Do you use the same size when it's a octave tailpiece?
And what is the stringspacing between bass and octave string. Thanks.
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Rob, of course. No problem. I once had a Spyder 8string, here are some pics to give you an idea on string spacing. On this one, the pair of strings used a tailpiece together. So I don?t know, what Mica would do on the DDW? Double slots or using one slot for two strings?!
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51705.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51706.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51707.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51708.jpg)
Oliver (Spyderman) (Message edited by davehouck on August 10, 2008)
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Hey Oliver,
I personally don't like the look of two strings sharing the same slot. It takes away from the detail of the Bass. That's the only thing I don't like about the 12 string Baritone Guitar.
I would also bookmatch the tops and backs to center - I'd rather cover the neck.
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This tailpiece uses individual holes, image in Mica's post #5272.
http://club.alembic.com/Images/631/14858.html?1179778327 (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=7451)
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Rami,
I think they did it on the Spyder as there are only 4 single tailpieces. Generally, of course, it looks better.
The top on TFJ is also bookmatched, of course, but I personally like the look of the neck through, this is classic Alembic.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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I agree with you Oliver. For what a custom instrument costs, it is 100% about personal preference.
That Spyder 8 string is just beautiful beyond words. A very unique instrument.
Rami
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One step closer.... getting there.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51764.jpg)
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Rob,
what shall I say?
Simply amazing job you are doing.
Many many thanks
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Close up of the main parts of the hardware.
Very irritating strange colorshift on the strings, have NO idea how to fix it.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51767.jpg)
(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on May 11, 2008)
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Rob,
Have you done anymore work on this one? It would be really cool to see it finished!
Kris
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Kris,
I haven?t gotten any updates from Rob.
Could be that I will order this bass matching to Tears for John....
Oliver (Spyderman)
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I might have an update this weekend.
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Rob,
wow fantastic.
As usual, can?t await to see it.
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Busy week, sorry Oliver. Also, found that I have to resize the body, the scale seems to be 33.75 (ooops).
Quick one for Rami: better shape? (parallel necks)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/53569.jpg)
Maybe move the right neck further into the body. (so that the peghead tips aren't so different in height)
(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on July 11, 2008)
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Second version.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/53572.jpg)
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That's just beautiful Rob. Although I'd rather the necks, pickups and hardware line up. I like the look of the 12 string headstock extending past the 6. I'd also try to narrow the body sides a bit.
I'll just keep buying those lottery tickets!
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How about an Alembic 6 & 12 Doubleneck based on a small standard or tribute body shape with Alembic Crown headstocks? Now THAT would just be WAY TOO COOL!
Something to REALLY put the Gibson EDS-1275 to shame. It should be named the RS-1276 (the RS being my initials - of course!).
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This is an expensive thread to watch! :P
John
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I wonder how a tribute would look with an extended upper horn. (for balance reasons)
Or the small standard with the upper horn from a rogue.....time to start hunting good pictures.
Rami, start buying extra lottery tickets. ;)
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No, keep the upper horns original. The Gibson EDS-1275 has short horns with the strap button behind the heel of the upper neck. I don't mind the neck-dive. I understand that the small standard body and the Tribute are both indirectly influenced by the Gibson SG design.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/53886.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/53887.jpg)
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A quickie using an image from this ( http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_fittingtribute.html (http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_fittingtribute.html) ) as base. I squeezed the body together a little. (original picture on the left)
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Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!!!
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As you see, the shape of the area between the horns and neck are slightly altered but the basic shape of the body is intact.
Only aprox. 18% wider.
There is a risk that the pegheads are too close with this design.
But twist the left horn out, and squeeze the electronics together slightly,
then the necks can be set a little further apart.
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The tailpiece will be about 27 mm lower than on the picture, due to difference in scale (25.5 - 30).
That is with the end of the fretboard in the same location.
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I think the necks are a little too close. The body looks great though. The Gibson is a useful example for proportion and neck angle.
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I found these pictures on Ebay of a one off custom EDS-1275.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/54096.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/54097.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/54098.jpg)
I suppose that this configuration makes sense if you play with different tunings. Interesting though.
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Latest image.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/55009.jpg)
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Rob,
many thanks for the great work you have done.
This looks really great.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Oliver,
Are you actually going to build it?
That's one Featured Custom article I'd look forward to reading.
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I can only imagine what Rob's commission will be....
Amazing work!
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Rami,
well I need to think on how to finance this beast.
Eastcoast,
:-)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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How would that balance with such a short upper horn?
Cosmetically, could you lengthen it?
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What if we all send you $5? I'd do it if it would help start seeing this thing come to life. I've really enjoyed following this thread. - Mike
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I have an idea: How about if we get an official quote from Alembic, divide the cost of building it among us, then have a draw and one of us would win it. We'd need a minimum number of entries to make participating attractive. If it's going to cost around $20,000 (for example) we should have at least 200 people willing to contribute $100. The more people participating, the less the contribution. 500 people would contribute $40, 1000 people would contribute $20 and so on.
Still better odds than a lottery!
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Maybe that's not such a good idea for such a personal instrument - Oliver may not appreciate seeing his baby with someone else, but perhaps we can all pitch in and design an Alembic that incorporates ideas from all the club members.
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You mean something like a club member special edition annual raffle? Sounds way too intriguing!
We would have to work out how payment gets to the mothership prior to the build. Perhaps enlisting the help of their network of dealers?
I would enjoy a chance at custom Alembic ownership for a fraction of the cost!
Kris
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What a great idea,just set out a few parameters beforehand for the basics like body shape,neck taper etc.... then just have a vote on top woods and the other major considerations,don't over complicate it all,then let Alembic just decide on the finer details.
Everybody who wants to take part send in your money and off we go.For $50 or $100 i think you may get a lot of interest,i for one would certainly love a custom build for that price even if the wood etc wasn't what i'd choose if i were having it made for myself.
It does not matter if you do not win,but there is a chance that you may win,exciting! Pop every participants name in a hat and then just get Mica to pull one out and BINGO some very lucky so and so's got a brand new bass Superb!
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Guys,
the estimate for my DDW is around 26K.
And of course, I would like to see this design (my idea) in my hands.... :-)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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How about the Tribute or small standard body Double neck? A 6-12 configuration. Nothing too fancy, just a simple and clean Double Neck guitar. Purpleheart body, Purpleheart and Ebony necks, Coco Bolo top and back bookmatched to center. Continuous wood pickup covers, truss rod cover and rear plates. Solid Un-chambered body. The most simple electronics (like the EDS-1275).
I'm sure it would be well below 26K.
Something with more general appeal than the DDW.
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I think that's an awesome idea about the forum based raffle type thing. I would never assume this double neck up like that. I just think that bass is a great thought. I know it would be very expensive and I'd love to see it in Senmn hands not to mention Rob's work put to good use.
Like mentioned above, it would be great to see one bass go up once a year as kinda like a raffle for the enthusiasts here. Some very cool one off like this DDW that has gotten us all excited and talking about it.
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Oliver,
At 26K, I'm quite confident that your design idea is safe.
I personally welcome and invite anyone to build my ideas so I can someday acquire them second hand...or maybe third...fourth...fifth...... until I can afford it.......
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Oliver. That estimate is ...... I can almost hear your wallet screaming. ;-)
How do you like my computer wallpaper?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/56571.jpg)
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Rob buddy,
yes I have to save hardly.
Could you send me that picture?
I only have the small one from this site or do you have a bigger one you could me (also without the background)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Here is the image I've used as background.(sorry for the large size) And a closeup of the pegheads, showing how much there is to be done on the strings.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/56725.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/56726.jpg)
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Rob,
thank you so much.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Oliver,
I look forward to seeing this image at the end of a future Featured Custom page. Mica will have one heck of a story to tell about how this project was born!
Best wishes.........DO IT!!!!!
Rami
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A little test, 2 strech upper horn.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/57020.jpg)
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Guys,
I think there will be no need to stretch the upper horn and to destroy the design. The single DW balances more than perfect, and with two options of back strap pins and the bigger lower horn (much bigger than the normal DW lower horn to fit the master vol and pu selector) there will be no need in doing this. It WILL balance perfectly, believe me.....
Oliver (Spyderman)
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If not. Here are a couple of renderings of the two different shapes.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/57100.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/57101.jpg)
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Rob,
sorry, as said before. Looks not good and destroys the design.
Just my opinion.
Plse leave it as is.....
Oliver (Spyderman)
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OK. It's your bass.
How do you like the logo on the pickups?
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Rob,
well, you are getting better and better, or better said: PERFECT!
Is the different shine on the strings kind of a shadow thing?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Nope. It's a strange graphic error only visible when I render with perspective.
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Ok. .... is the bass strings on top or?
Will also need the string size for the octave strings.
I'm guessing that the bass strings are standard, .045 .065 .080 .105.
Oh!...forgot. The scale? 34?
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Rob,
if you look down the bass wearing it they are starting with the thing strings, then the bass strings. As said e/E a/A d/D g/G.
This is the old style setup where you can play ideally with a pick.
8string sizes are:
1st-G 2nd-G 3rd-D 4th-D 5th-A 6th-A 7th-E 8th-E
.040 .020 .055 .025 .070 .035 .090 .045
And of course both necks at 34
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Rob,
Are you working in 3D? Can you view the guitars in a .sat file with a program such as Spatial Technologies ACIS Viewer? This is a really cool way to show off the entire model.
Kris
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I only work in AutoCAD 2002. So the standard file type is .dwg.
There are many other programs ,newer ones,that probably be a lot better.
But I know how to do things in A-CAD, so that is what I work with.
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So the standard file type is .dwg. .Dragonwing??? Perfect!
Peter
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LOL....... can't belive I missed that one.
Oliver. Any accent laminates? Pinstripes?
Body wood is mahogny, or rather my attempt at it.
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Rob,
just as on my DW. Core Wood is actual Walnut.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Step three. Now with necks.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51171.jpg)
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Rob,
wow. You?re great man!!!!
Thank you so much....
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Step four. Quick peghead design check. There's a large risk that the strings will not clear all string poles. Redesign might be in order.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51230.jpg)
The lower peghead is just a mirrored upper. With more tuners. ;)
(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on April 27, 2008)
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Rob,
well you are the CAD master. Great work!!!
I already spoke to Mica rgdg this project so you see that this is really used. I need this beast... :-)
As with the 8er peghead this will not work I think. What about having the normal DW peghead made a big longer and have the tunners arrayed like on Johns Status Buzzard with 6 tuners on the left and two on the right? What do you think?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Maybe 3 high and 5 low?
o O o
O o O o O
o = Guitar tuner
O = Bass tuner
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Rob,
I would rather suggest not to have the lower peghead mirrored.
What do you think of this arrangement, see pic below
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51234.jpg)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Like this:
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51237.jpg)
Only 1.5 (38.1 mm) longer.
(Message edited by rob_the_fiend on April 27, 2008)
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Rob,
if we would use this we need to place 4 on the left side as it will not work with the string spacing. But I would like to see the peghead in a normal position as well to decide what would look better.
Could you do this?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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I do'nt see why it won't work with the string spacing...?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51242.jpg)
I think the reverse version looks much meaner (in combination with the other neck)
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Two variations. Maybe it will look better with the pegheads the same way...
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51247.jpg)
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Rob, personally (my taste) I would prefer the two pegheads in line, classic layout. This looks more smooth to me. What do you think? Could you put a vermillion veneer on the tops of the headstock?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51252.jpg)
As for the tailpiece I like the double version you showed on the original photo. Electronicwise I would go for the same 20th Anniversary than in my actual DW and only for one set of electronics due to lack of space, means knob layout as on my DW and with an additional selector switch for the two necks, maybe located centered in the space behind the two bridge pickups?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51253.jpg)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Ok.
Do You know where I can get some drawings/blueprints of the knobs and the selector switches?
Isn't the area behind the bridges and in front of the tailpiece better for a switch?
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Rob,
yep that would be a great place, better I think.
As for drawings I must pass; if I remember there are some pictures on the Alembic store? Would this help too?
Will take a look....
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Rob, only these photos
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51257.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51258.jpg)
Oliver (Spyderman) (Message edited by davehouck on August 10, 2008)
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Must be somewere it can be found.... who is the manufacturer?
I don't think Alembic makes those things themselves.
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Found one of them .... now... size?
http://www.ehcknobs.com/selector/index.php?series=109&action=step6&level=3&group=109P (http://www.ehcknobs.com/selector/index.php?series=109&action=step6&level=3&group=109P)
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Rob,
the pointer knob has a height of 1,2cms, a lenght from round end to point of 1,8cms and a diameter where the round part goes into the angle of 1,2cms.
The round knobs are 2,15cms height in total, 1,9 without the lower rim, diameter is 2,5cms at base and at top it has 1,5cms.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Thanks. That should do it, or, close enough. ;)
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Rob,
btw are you working on a pc or a mac?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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PC. I've never used a Mac.
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Rob,
could you alternatively put the other small tuner
also on the right side while taking the tuners
on the right side in line with those on the left side
while keeping the long length of the headstock.
Think it would look better to have them equal
on both sides.
Cheers
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Hi Rob,
did you read my last message?
Many greetings
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Yepp. I did.
And I think You are right, it would look better. Will redesign it soon.
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HMMMM
Mica, what would the weight be on a DDW?
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The tuners alone will be 680 grams (1.5 lbs).
If Mica can get me the average density for each of the woods involved, also the brass, and the weight of the electronics + pickups.
I can get a very good estimate of the total weight.
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Rob,Fish,
Tears for John, single DW, weighs exactly 5kgs.
As my DDW would get only one electronic set you could guess
what it would weigh.
I think Mica is busy on doing an estimate for me....serious.
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Oliver, perhaps we can get a two for one sale : )
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Step five. Controls, Tailpiece and Bridgeblocks.
And the peghead You wanted...will fix it with the laminates later... Vermilion as top layer? What of the others, how many and what wood?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51423.jpg)
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Rob,
This looks awesome. Wow. Top wood of the peghead vermillion.
Could you install the miniswitches as on ms DW and the input jack?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Step 5.5 ... ;) The miniswitches are steel, not plastic as it looks on your picture. I moved the neck selector a little closer to the bridges.
The shadows are volumes/raytraced, took 106 min to render the full size picture (3400x2300).
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51435.jpg)
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I want one. I need one of Paul's stockings....
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Rob,
wow wow wow.
Yes the switches are steel, also on TFJ.
Could you bring the pickupselector a very small bit towards the master vol?
The vermillion tops on the heads and what do you think of standard oval inlays on the 8string neck?
(see also my mail to you)
Oliver (Spyderman)
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What are the sizes of the ovals on the different positions?
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Having fun with textures... learning how to get reflective surfaces. WIP.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51604.jpg)
Can anyone tell me what the font is that is used on the pickups?
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Rob,
really cool. Thank you very much!!!!
As said, Mica is working on an estimate for me for this beast.
Many thanks my friend
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Wow Rob! For a guy who doesn't play an instrument, you're a very talented guy. It's been really exciting to watch an idea come to life. It's just spectacular.
I really hope you do in fact build this Oliver. It'll become a Alembic classic.
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Trying not to blush ... ;-)
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Rami,
yes Rob has really done an awesome work.
I am waiting on an estimate from Mica on this and then I think I have to put out the stockings for a bank robbery...... :-)
But you are right, this could be a new Alembic classic......
Oliver (Spyderman)
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The logo isn't a font, it's hand drawn letters. But there are some fonts that resemble it closely (myfonts.com (http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/gallofonts/gothic-initials-three/) is always a good resource).
I've already given Oliver the rough estimate for this build (about the price of 2 Dragon Wing basses). It shouldn't be too much longer to work up an official detailed quote.
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Thanks Mica. Do You have a large resolution image of the logo? I can work from that.
Latest rendering.... strange... it's less space between the neck pickup and the neck than on the images of Oliver's DW!?!? Must have gotten some measurement wrong.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/51676.jpg)
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Rob,
here are the sizes for the oval fingerboard inlays for the 8string neck:
3rd fret Length 2,2cms Width (at broadest point) 1,6cms
5th fret Length 1,8cms Width 1,3cms
7th fret Length 1,5cms Width 1,1cms
9th fret Length 1,25cms Width 0,9cms
12th fret Length 3,4cms Width 1,0cms
15th fret Length 1,85cms Width 1,0cms
17th fret Length 1,6cms Width 0,75cms
19th fret Length 1,25cms Width 0,7cms
21st fret Length 0,9cms Width 0,5cms
24th fret Length 1,2cms Width 0,4cms
Can you work with these?
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Mica,
will send you an email later today for a definite estimate with all the details and specs I want to have on the DDW.
Many greetings from sunny Germany
Oliver (Spyderman)
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Oliver, perfect man. That will do.
Have to find a material that looks good, there ain't no MOP texture in AutoCAD.