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Alembic products => Dreaming... for now => Topic started by: hendixclarke on February 23, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
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You will see the concept drawings here first... Stay tuned.
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The Mother-ship (Alembic) will build it for me...
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Allow me to be the first to present, to you:
The Toma_Hawk by Hal- (Halembic).
Inspired by the Native American Obsidian Arrow Heads.
This bass is my concept Alembic Series I/II bass.
The wood is of Mahogany, Ebany and Maple combination with a traditional Alembic tuning crown.
To put things mildly, this is my signature bass
This bass is smaller, and lighter than a Stanley Clarke Signature. It was designed for long ass jam sessions and holding it down on the one...
Designing this bass, was a labor of love, and soon these blue prints, along with my green prints (money) are headed to Santa Rosa.
Hey, anything without my exact measurements, is frankly, just a knockoff of pure flattery
It's a free world...
I welcome all comments (good and bad...)
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Congrats on placing the order!
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If you're going for lighter weight, then Ebony would be on the list of woods to avoid.
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As you can see...
The Small body 1976 is no-so-small compared to the Toma_Hawk.
Small yes, but it gonna pack a punch and bite like a small Pit-Bull.
DOWN BOY, HEAL!
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61712.jpg)
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Hi Mica,
Thanks for the information. I will be calling you on the details. Also, I would love to get a perspective of a very light eco friendly woods for this bass.
Thanks for your input, your knowledge is always welcome.
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Interesting bass style, have you considered the neck heavy properties of the SC shape basses due to the small body style. Your design looks a tad smaller so you may end up with more neck dive unless you have some way of countering it in the body. maybe a HUGE sustain block under the bridge and tailpiece... :-)
That should give it the bite of a Pit-Bull on steroids.
This would be a good one to watch being built.
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Of the smallest basses I played, was a Steinberger.
Although I never liked them personally, but in terms of their lightness and balance, there are great but I never been a big fan of the sound.
The Toma_Hawk lightness will not be counter intuitive of its shape with the neck. I think
your comments are very well taken, and will be part of my talks at the planning phases.
This is why I love this forum so much, because of people like you Jazzyvee... Thanks man, from the heart.
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The exact same measurements of two blocks of wood may be the same (in terms of length, width and height), but density and weight, might differ from significant, to slightly... but rarely the exact same everything.
Wood have their own specific gravity.
Even a smaller block of wood could be heavier than a some larger sizes.
Therefore, the object size alone is not necessarily a factor of balance. However, their specific gravity is much more of a factor.
The Toma_Hawk Bass will be a challenge (no doubt) but it will be balanced and fully functional as we would expect from Alembic to craft... ;)
Therefore, it will be a perfect, fully versatile bass with its own character and pure Alembic.
What good is life, if everything was easy anyway?
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Notice that the Steinberger bass uses a metal hook (in lieu of an upper horn) to create that good balance. Without it, it would be extremely neck heavy and it looks like you will experience the same challenge with your design so you might want to experiment with hooking your strap closer to the 12th fret. A very wide (4) strap will also help. Let us know how this project goes.
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Mica, can you build this bass?
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The 12th fret? No way...LOL!!
This post will be a joy to review, when this bass design hits the project Manager's desk.
If it requires the strap-lock to be on the 12th neck, this bass will never see the light of day.
A full no-go in effect, if balance is an issue. We will see... so stay tuned. This get's good.
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I left my phone number on your main service line answering machine... I await your call Mica.
Have a wonderful day!
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If the balance of the Small Standard body is not an issue for you, the modest modification you're suggesting is not going to impact it dramatically.
Counterweights are really not an option - the balance is mostly about the upper strap attachment point.
One way to move the upper strap attachment point is to imagine sliding the body toward the peghead. This will reduce upper fret access (may or may not be an issue for you). Making the body slightly longer will give more room for the electronics (gotta keep them farther from the edge than you think).
Other design details that occur to me: inverting the bird tailpiece would look cool on this one. If the edge of the body is more squared, carving little scallops along the edge to echo the conchoidal fracturing that obsidian naturally exhibits.
I'll be moving this thread to the dreaming section later today.
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I'll be able to call you back in the afternoon.
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Hi Mica,
I am not really fond of inverting the bird tail piece (although I see why this would conform to the shape and match or blend with the shapes flow...).
I like the bird just the way you guys did it... It stands out bold and strong, in contrast of my design, it symbolize tradition and heritage.
Naa... the bird will have to stay in uniform to the concept...
The controls can be moved slightly to make room but still generally in the same basic area.
I love smooth basses, and never been a big fan of sharp objects. I would very much like to keep the smoothness and clean lines like my 1976 Small Body bass, but without lengthening the tail.
As for the Strap pen, it should be placed mid center, under 4th fret.
Just for the record, the length of my 1976 (at the 4th fret) is exactly the same length of the concept bass. Also, the widest area from my 1976 Small Body, is also the widest length on the concept. The only area that is different, is the wedge cut at the base.
I look forward to speaking with you for details...
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will this baby be solid or chambered?.......any LEDS/Lasers etc....
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Normal crown headstock?
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This is the full concept Toma_Hawk with Alembic Original Crown.
The neck will be thin and lighting fast.
It's the Stealth of Small Body.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61736.jpg)
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I think it would be nice with the cone headstock
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Maybe a headstock based on arrow fletching (the feather part).
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Just got off the phone with Mica, and the bass balance will be comparable to the Small Body.
(There will no problems with the neck and body balance).
According to Mica, this bass will be the absolute first of any such a design from Alembic Headquarters, and will carry my name once the first one is built. HALembic AKA Toma_Hawk!
WHAT AN HONOR!
Here's a comparison of the Toma_Hawk whole body, next to the Small Body Cousin.
The hardware will be Chrome/Nickle only (No Brass or Bronze anywhere).
The neck will be very thin (Less round -- more flat in thinness) for fast actions playing. Not my Fathers bass...
The bass body thickness will be very thin -- or much thinner than my 1976, and powered by ether Series I or a Series II electronics. (I am still undecided...)
The color might be a Stealth Black (with visible wood) or a Crimson/Burgundy Mahogany/Maple. I am still undecided...
The finger board, will have my design... Still in the works...
This will be a major upgrade for me, after playing Alembics since 1983 (26 years). The bass almost looks retro boomerang-ish with a simple and no-nonsense look and feel.
Anyway, I been working on this design (shape) for almost two years. I can't wait to see it built. It's to LIVE FOR! (not to die for...)
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I can't wait to see it on the Factory to Costumer thread.
It's a really unique design Hal, congratulations!
I'm really looking forward to watching it getting into shape.
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Thanks Gregory.
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I am fixed on the color... The Toma_Hawk bass will be a Dark Maroon...
I will continue showing a virtual imagery, (as seen here) as the design refines...
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61793.jpg)
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Virtual Toma_Hawk Front is getting there...
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61803.jpg)
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How about some custom colored pickups? Depends on how stealth you want it to look, but some burgundy (or even contrasting colored) PU's might look nice.
(Message edited by tbrannon on February 25, 2009)
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The Toma_Hawk's Virtual "Mug Shots"... More Refinements to come...
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61814.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61815.jpg)
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Hi Toby,
In my meeting with Mica, we talked about the Soap Bar pick ups... and the color options.
Stay tuned... I am looking into some colors now...
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EDIT time...
An integrated tone/volume (on 1 knob system) provides more real estate, and removes the need for two drilled holes.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61819.jpg)
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I think it is the case that Alembic doesn't do stacked pots. I think it was an issue related to the quality of the pots.
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I don't see why not... They are not sharing any circuits. This will be a check point...
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I don't know much about pots. I do know that Alembic uses sealed self-cleaning mil-spec pots, and that Alembic does not compromise on quality. I think there are some earlier threads on the subject that may have more detail.
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Hal,
See Haddimudd's double neck bass (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8619)
I believe it was quite a task and was unlikely to be repeated.
Mike
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Maybe there are better quality ones now...
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I remember we were discussing a volume/tonal locking system... Although it seemed a little far fetch, but from the perspective of minimizing knobs, an integrated tone/volume (on 1 knob system) would make the bass more sublime and give a minimal look and feel.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61822.jpg)
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I like it...Congrats....
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I wanted stacked pots back when I was having mine done in 2004 and the answer was absolutely not.
I have to say I'm no fan of this body shape from a practical perspective. You seem to be forfeiting some real estate for the electronics cavity and moving the controls closer to the strings where they might be in the way for some playing styles. If it suits you, though, then more power to you!
You also seemed to mock up the bass with a partial BTC. Was that intentional, or just how you slapped things together?
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Bob's right, no on the stacked pots - for a Series I or II, the bass would have to be much thicker to gang three sections of those huge pots. Take the backplate off your Series I. See how the filter pots are two sections each? Now add a third one and you'll see what I mean about how much more insanely thick the bass would have to grow.
Then you have the ugly knob issue. Stacked pots need long knobs that are easier to break, or wide ones that cover up too much wood.
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Thanks Craig.
Bob, different strokes for different folks.
After owning both types of Alembic Series Basses: The Omega Body (1979), and the Small Body (1976)
there were always people liking one style over the other... and you know what? That's cool because I still owned and loved both of them. You want to to know something else... I never seen an Alembic I didn't like.
Also, if the bass has to have 4 knobs, so be it... (It will still look great to me anyway).
However until Mica tell me any different, 2 knobs will be the rule on this bass.
Frankly speaking, this bass was created to break rules -
I done my time, with others designs...
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Hi Mica,
I am glade you commented on the knobs... As you can see from the concept, I added the 4 knobs back. The knobs are over 1 1/4 from the edge;
and switches are end to end very well positioned for my taste.
The top crown, should match the uniformity of the body. I am working on a detailed design on the finger board.
Thanks
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By the way, there' a Dreaming for now board for threads like this. Maybe this can be relocated to where it belongs?
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I don't know what you're planning for neck woods, but you may be looking at a bass with poor natural balance. If the body is smaller and lighter than an SC, then you're going to need a lighter neck to get balance. Unfortunately, a thin neck made of lighter woods isn't going to be super stable. You might want to use some dense wood in the neck to get better stability and tone in a smaller dimension. Those woods, by definition, are heavy and may result in a bass with some neck dive. You might want to consider lengthening the upper horn, or both horns if you want symmetry, so that your strap attachment point is closer to the headstock.
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I am already aware of these things you mentioned...
This bass will be balance, and it will be of quality in every way.
The design is special and I will not go any bigger or smaller...
If I have to lighten up on the crown, so be it, no problem.
If the neck have to be lighter, no problem.
A thinner neck was already discussed with Mica, so life is still be good.
To be completely honest, being in a position to build you own instrument (especially if it's an Alembic) is great problem to have my anyway.
I am a blessed person with or without the bass Bill. I am not defined, I define. Human have this great parameters if they believe...
So, I am not going to run away from one of my most cherished dreams in making myself the best bass in the world. It will get done, and done correctly.
Lastly, no strap pins would ever touch my horns.
Nuff-Said there...
Thanks for your honesty, it is most appreciated.
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there has been many of bass of my dreams built here that ended up for sale for what ever reason the seller sold/wanted, just be sure you are TOTALLY satisfied with your decisions its like getting married once you love a woman stick with her!...i cant wait to see her!
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Keavin
You and I can start another thread on the woman stick with her point (I might take the contrary view), but I TOTALLY agree on the bass design point. And, I STRONGLY recommend that dreamers listen to Mica. That's what I did and I am REALLY happy with how mine ended up.
So, Moder Dave, where would we start the woman discussion?
dw
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Keavin, you are so right. I agree with you 100%.
People dreams are always inflated with infatuations and nightmares (which are just inflated fears).
But dreams bad, or good are very important. Without them, its like eating food without taste, or music without sound. The more aware you are in every way, the better you can gauge understanding, and reasoning.
Music is emotional and it's easy to fall into a rat hole discussion and people take things to heart. I find this stuff very entertaining and it cracks me up big-time reading this stuff. It's hilarious.
People are so quick to destroy before it even develops... Hal you can't do this, oh Hal, you can't do that... Man, its funny as hell to read this because my mind works toward ways things CAN work... That's how I earn my livelihood...
Yeah, I agree some of this stuff is helpful and it a good advisory (and this is cool) but how much of this is on the boarder line.
One thing I know is the names who leave their messages are very consistent (either on the positive side, or the negative) and that's cool too.
Keavin, the one thing I know about the shape of this bass, it look more appealing for me, than my Small Body, but compared to the desire factor of your #12, GIVE ME Alembic #12!
You got the Shizzel-Fazzizzel, and all that Shizzzit?!!!
The Toma_Hawk story continues, for I am the biggest fan, the show continues.
Everybody have their own great pyramid to build...
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Hal, I trust you will be setting it on fire soon after completion? Gesundheit!
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I had a nice long conversation with Hal on Tuesday night. Since he's happy with the balance of the short scale bass he has, this one really won't be all that different. For some, the short scale/Small Standard combo is neck heavy, so this design wouldn't be suitable for them.
Remember, this bass is a hollow core Series I. There's really not much material coming off the hollow body - it's like scooping out air. To counter this, it's best to make adjustments up at the peghead, like a nice narrow neck, lighter weight tuners, smaller peghead. The impact on the teeter-toter is much greater at the peghead end of the bass, which is farther away from the fulcrum.
Hal, I think the comments you are receiving here are in a helpful spirit - even good-natured kidding is helpful to raise a smile.
Sorry - I meant to move this Tuesday night to the Dreaming For Now section... The move will be happening in moments.
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Control Change:
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It was great for Mica to have a section dedicated for people with dream basses.
I can't tell you with words, how useful the Dreaming... for now sections on Alembic.com (thread) was for me.
It took 2 years, and a few months, to have a palatable concept and shape I believe suited my playing style. I now put this all on the line, and I am ready for this bass to be real.
Furthermore, I understand this bass may not be pretty to everyone, or have all the bells and whistles many people would desire; and that is cool with me and may God bless you, but with beauty, that from the only eyes of the beholders, and from my perspective, the Toma_Hawk will support me from both: form and function, and it look HOT to me!
That being said, and as of today, I would like to ask Mica to officially graduate The Toma_Hawk Build No.1 to:
Factory to Customer section of Alembic.com
I will be watching with amazement and wonderment with every picture which develops from your fantastic and fabulous and very experiences experts.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/64285.jpg)
Toma_Hawk archive...
This was a very cool shot of Mica and Ron Wickersham taken, while at Alembic HQ.
The Toma_Hawk templates you see, were from the extra templates I brought with me, and was reserved for Susan, Mica, and Ron's autographs on this momentous project kickoff.
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That's a very nice picture,
thanks for sharing.
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A sneak preview...
Mica Draws the first (Flame Maple) laminate for the Toma_Hawk...
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Great picture of Mica and Ron !!!!
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Thanks Dave,
I was on their campus for about 4 hours and yet the time moved so fast.
The wood shop is incredible.. something from out of the warm and beautiful pages of Walt Disney's Pinocchio.
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What is Broom Stick QUICK?
I like a flat back neck...
Here are the measurements so far...
THE TOP:
The frontal view - Nut = 1.60 in
Side view (Back of neck-to-finger board) = 0.80 in
THE BOTTOM:
The frontal view - 24th fret width = 2.15 in
The side view (Back of neck-to-finger board) = 0.96 in
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Latest controls update...
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/64386.jpg)
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Hal, be careful what you draw. Alembic might give you exactly what you ask for. For example, do you really want the bridge volume pot that close to the bridge? The five pin jack is also awfully tight to the tailpiece. I have to assume that your diagram is just to give a feel for what you want and that you expect Alembic to alter it so that it fits within the scope of the electronics cavity and real estate available on the top.
All that said, why isn't this being discussed in an FTC thread now? The dreaming is over if the order has been placed, right?
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Thanks for the input, but as for the drawings of the bridge depiction is not to scale.
In fact, the actual bridge size, is much smaller than the drawing and thus, the said control(s) will have more room than the drawings suggests.
As for the 5 pin connector, this drawing is larger too. However, as far as being too close to the bird-tail piece, it is fine. My 1976 Shorty, has the 5 pin connector in the same location.
Let's remember, real parts will be used, before determining the actual space and location. So, as far as the drawings, it serves as a perspective.
Also you must remember Ron, Susan and Mica are very strict on quality (needless to say...)
As for the Factory to customer thread, I keep checking the topics myself... I can't tell you how excited my life has become since I left Santa Rosa. Hey, let me know when you see it up
This thread has pretty much run it's course, but for now, its better than nothing...
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The The Toma_Hawk final drawings on controls.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/64573.jpg)
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WOOD Change in effect:
After a very good meeting with Mica, the Toma_Hawk top laminate, will be Dark Vermillion.
Samples:
http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/33135.html?1163232228 (http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/33135.html?1163232228 target=_top)
http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/6788.html?1084748018 (http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/6788.html?1084748018 target=_top)
http://alembic.com/club/messages (http://alembic.com/club/messages)
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http://alembic.com/club/messages/631/53753.html (http://alembic.com/club/messages/631/53753.html target=_top)
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Factory to customer thread: Project Toma_Hawk
Set for next week... (according to Mica)
We shall watch this bass with great interest.
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(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/64778.jpg)
Well, it's a Sunday, and it's my very last post here.
I know, I know... I must had said this a million times, but this time, I am really done. I have nothing left. Susan and Mica has this concept down to a T.
I been updated from Mica, the Factory to customer thread will be created some time this week, so T-minus 10...9...8...7...
Toma_Hawk Specifications:
The Body:
Book Matching
Dark Vermilion/Mahogany/Dark Vermilion
The Neck:
Maple/Purple Heart/White-Strip/Ebony/White-Strip/Purple Heart/Maple
Neck Measurements:
Nut width = 1.60 in
1st Neck Thickness = 0.80 in (Flat neck where the thumb is positioned to fingerboard)
17th Neck Thickness = 0.96 in (Flat neck where the thumb is positioned to fingerboard)
24th Fret width = 2.15 in
The controls:
Master Volume (Top-Hat)
Pickup Selector Switch (Tear Drop)
Side Light Switch (Off, Low, Bright)
Neck:
Neck Volume (Top-Hat)
Neck Tone (Top-Hat)
Neck Q Switch (3-Position Toggle)
Bridge:
Bridge Volume (Top-Hat)
Bridge Tone (Top-Hat)
Bridge Q Switch (3-Position Toggle)
Cable Connection:
5 pin XLR on body (Male)
1/4 on body
All Chrome or Nickle hardware:
Tuning Machine
Bridge
Bird
Control Back Plate
Battery Back Plate
Metal Switches
Switchcraft 5 pin front plate
Side of Neck:
Blue Side Lights
Fingerboard:
Ebony
Pickups:
Neck: Series I/II (Black, with black Alembic Emboss)
Hum Cancellation (Black)
Bridge: Series I/II (Black, with black Alembic Emboss)
Alembic Emblem:
Metal
Crown
Dark Vermilion (Top/Back)
Frets:
Thick
Strings:
Super Light Gauge
045's
Body:
The Toma_Hawk
Thickness = 1.70 inches
PHEW - That's all folks!
(Message edited by hendixclarke on May 04, 2009)
(Message edited by hendixclarke on May 04, 2009)
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Vermillion is a great choice! I will be watching this FTC.
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Right on!
Thank you Dan.
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I really look forward to seeing your bass realized Hal. I think unique designs like these are the most exciting of all customs.
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Thanks Kevin.
Over the years, I seen some very fascinating Alembics basses, and I love reading the FTC, because I know the energy is high, and people are happily excited. In my mind, (over two years and a few months) I kept telling myself, someday my bass will be on that page...
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That's great Hal. Someday I hope to do the same, but its going to take a while. I guess that just gives me time to get the details straight.
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Time is on your side. I advise anyone, to take there time. By all means, take risks and draw outside the dotted lines. Make it all about you and those qualities you truly value in playing music.
My next custom will be in the direction of an electric guitar. It will be something in honor of Jimi Hendrix. Maybe I will call it Devon.
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(Message edited by hendixclarke on May 13, 2009)
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Vermilion Wood example of the Toma_Hawk
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Just on my mind...
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So, with all the songs I sing for others beautiful things, I reserved a Frank tune for my wait...
It like a child; to let nature take it's course and no rush... It's like a fine wine (although I don't drink... I do understand...)
We'll here it goes... Crooning some...
The best is yet to come, and wont that be fine
You think youve seen the sun, but you aint seen it shine
Wait till the warm-up is underway
Wait till out my finger tips have met
Wait till you see that sunshine day
You aint seen nothing yet
The best is yet to come, and wont that be fine
The best is yet to come, come the day that your mine
Come the day that your mine
I'm gonna teach you to fly
We've only tested the line
Were gonna play that jam dry
Wait till your charms are right, for the arms to surround
You think you've flown before, but you aint left the ground
Wait till you're locked in my embrace
Wait till I hold you near
Wait till you see that sunshine place
There aint nothing like it here
The best is yet to come, and wont that be fine
The best is yet to come, come the day that your mine.
Yeah, that was too cool... When it get's here, I'll play something sweet on You-Tube...
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Let me just say:
Mica nailed The Toma_Hawk's controls down!
With such a small bass, and only so-much room, BULL'S EYE!
What you see here, is the actual and final layout for the Toma_Hawk controls.... coming right from Alembic HQ. and you as members, get the first look!
Now, what I love about this control layout, is the shape, and sum of all the parts.
With the knobs, you may see an Arrow Head pattern, and from a Native American perspective, and the official name and theme of this bass Toma_Hawk, the pattern of the controls, fits sublimely.
Also, notice the Pickup Selector Switch...
We made the pointed end, downward instead of having it pointing up... This format required Ron's approval prior...
However the main benefit here, is to keep the sharp point away from my actively playing hands. Although the controls just under the hum-canceler, (another personal requirement) will give my hands more than enough room to play without run-ends...
This is just a sneak look before The Factory to Customer thread is created for the Toma_Hawk.
Hal-
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(Message edited by hendixclarke on June 20, 2009)
(Message edited by hendixclarke on June 20, 2009)
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(Message edited by hendixclarke on June 20, 2009)
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Unofficial render created by Hal-
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This would make a great album (CD) cover
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This render is the the closest I can theorize on how the finished product might look.
Pictures (even real pictures) don't do objects any justice. I seen some pictures of some amazing Alembics, but not until I seen them in person and held them, one begin to really appreciate the wholeness and the power!
If you look at past pictures/renders of this concept bass, you would had seen some major design changes.
As a rule, an ideas has to stand through the test of time, and many of my ideas may had sound good in the beginning, but once a superior idea comes along, the old original was not necessarily removed, but enhanced. You find a way, to hold on to those things (designs) that puts a huge smile on your face.
Peace-
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Here's a more refined Shine and rounder edge rendition.
Man, she's beautiful to me!
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/66577.jpg)
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A brown Toma_Hawk...
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/66580.jpg)
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This is a remix of the Toma_Hawk in Straight Normal Play (VS) Slap/Pop... I tried to make the body of the bass, to scale as possible.
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[On the backside...] Toma_Hawk render with chrome control back-plates.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/67303.jpg)
Drawn by Hal-
(Message edited by hendixclarke on July 12, 2009)
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Here are a couple of photo's I found on Chuck Rainey's facebook that have a similar design on the bottom of the body to your tomahawk.
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Jazzyvee
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Vintage 1960's Moon landing guitars -
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(Message edited by Toma_Hawk-01 on July 20, 2009)
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What is the brand Chuck Rainey uses?
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Warrior?
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definetly looks like a Warrior to me
~Taylor Watterson
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Hal's Backyard project...
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One of these things... is not like the other... (A Sesame Street Flash back...)
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Ideas take time...
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Keep the train a rollin Hal that is gonna be one cool bass! Nice backyard all thats missing is the pink flamingos!! What strings are you gonna use? You say in the thread your are going for x-light strings, have you happend to try Dr Jonas Hellborg strings on your old bass ever? Just curious if any one with a series bass has tried these strings? I use em on all my old starfires and my persuader, but my 5string distillate gets Ritter swordsteels. sorry to change topic.....Bear
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A size perspective...
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Thank you smokinbear.
There's no doubt I am a big fan of the Toma_Hawk Bass, and it's good to know when others out there from the far reaches of the world, like this bass too.
I am going Alembic X light 45 on the strings.
As for the backyard, I am working on a deck for the family, and for jamming too!
Once this bass is made, I may write a book on the many places it's been, and people who played it with their thoughts.
This is one of the reasons I am focusing more on this thread than on anywhere else on Alembic.com.
You can always find me here, under the shade in my garden.
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Sand Box...
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(Message edited by Toma_Hawk-01 on July 26, 2009)
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Re-Mix Sand Box Model...
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Your photoshop skill are second to none i can't even cut and paste yet!!!! Have you chosen any woods at the mothership yet? Hope to see some action in the ftc section soon! I hope some day a series 1 in a small omega distillate EVH (ish) shape with a super flamey walnut top 2 ebony lams w/ a ph in the center can be realized, but thats for another day/thread. Play in good health . Smokin-bear
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Hi Smokinbear,
Here's the exact specs of the neck and body on the Toma_Hawk.
For the Neck, Susan worked her magic and for the Body, Mica countered... I was blown away by their suggestions on the wood, and now I am hypnotize by the beauty of the whole bass.
I feel like a kid again... and its scary at times because, I have not felt this good about something I wanted, for a very long time.
I am using a program called Photo-Impact. I had this application since the 90's and gotten use to it...
But, I believe tools like these, really can help communicate visually.
It gives the eyes, something to do too...
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(Message edited by Toma_Hawk-01 on July 29, 2009)
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That would be a sweet lapel pin!
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Should be sweeet when complete!
- Thomas Lieber
Lieber Instruments
This quote was added to my profile...
(Message edited by Toma_Hawk-01 on July 28, 2009)
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This Golden pendant is for, the love of my life... (My wife)
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(Message edited by Toma_Hawk-01 on July 29, 2009)
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An official full body drawing from Alembic HQ.
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The Dream has now become reality...
The Toma_Hawk has a FTC thread now...
My final words...
This was great, and I will always remember this section of the Toma_Hawk experience...
Thanks to everyone who contributed here...
((((((((Peace)))))))))
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Well, I for one can't wait to see the FTC thread for this one.
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Hal, after reading what Mica said, I can't be more sure this is going to be one awesome bass!
I'm also a short scale guy, and I know that this balance doesn't work for everyone, but it sure works for me and I believe it sure works for you.
I still haven't been able to have my custom built Alembic YET, but I understand what you mean with the can't do this sort of stuff. It is indeed complicated to change something that is already definitive in our minds, but I know that everyone here really wants you to have the best bass possible. I believe what they are really trying is to help you anyway they can so you can have what you dream! Sometimes, new things might look weird, but they tend to develop it to something specia
I am already in love with your bass, and I can't wait to watch the FTC...
So, did you already give it the green light? Let us know!
Greg
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The whole idea, is to play it so fast, it will ignite!
I want Stanley Clarke to do this... For, He's the only person, I believe could do it, and get away with it...
It would make music history, I would present him the Toma_Hawk bass personally for such an event!
Who knows, this might be my purpose for my bass...
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....so you're going to give it to stanley? hmm....
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More virtual images to come...Side angle shot forth coming...
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so are you planning on trying out for a famous band or are you just doing this for the heck of it? do you know the price yet?
~Taylor
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I was in many jazz bands in my high school and college daze. I work in my home recording studio now.
I am looking to doing more touring in the future.
This bass will be THEE BASS.
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Oh, the price of the bass you asked?
How many licks does it takes to get the center of a tootsie pop? The world will never know...
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Man.. Greg, that was beautifully said... I know some day, you WILL build you bass. This is the spirit to have. Being in my mid 40's, I am at a point musically -- to do it, or leave the whole thing alone and don't waste anyone's time.
I put The O-Mi-T-1 before everything I do, and as long as I use the tools, knowledge, skills, and techniques in one stroking motion this bass will be a prize I been looking to reward myself to cap my 43 years of guitar and bass playing.
This is a very special and personal endeavor. I love my Shorty, but the Toma_Hawk will be a reflection of me when my day is done here.
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Perhaps the issue with control placement could be solved in a similar fashion as on Marc's simple bass, a.k.a. Monty (http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_monty.html target=_blank).
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Hal, it makes me happy seeing someone realizing a dream. I'm cheering here for everything to come out perfectly as you want.
You've reached a point of evolution, I believe, and the Toma_Hawk will symbolize it. You are heading the right way!
Greg
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Adriaan,
First let me say, the Monty Bass is an awesome bass. I love everything about this bass. Black Basses are formal as heck, and there's this high-tech Bat-Man like mystique to this bass that I love. The Monty is one of my favorite Alembic customs, and the looks are very striking and it screams PLAY ME!
I am glad you brought the Monty in this custom concept forum for more reasons than the ones I raised, because it is fitting, and I must admit, I was thinking about a black custom, but the Monty was already built, and with the bat-like wings to boot at the tail, fabulous.
As for the control knobs, I would had done the same for the Toma_Hawk bass, but s/he's more primitive than the Monty. The knobs position on the Monty, says High-Tech, and straight lines. It's perfectly done.
On the Toma_Hawk, the knobs are arranged in that old-school way I wish to preserve. My mind is programmed with 4 controls, if I couldn't have 2 stacked pots. When you think about it, 2 is more primitive than 4.
So, if I can't have the two, then give me the classic 4 knobs, arranged in the classic parallelogram shape.
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Hal,
Those silhouettes you posted are really striking. Seems like the waistline coming in from the head of the tomahawk (or the tail end of the body) is less rounded than in the initial mockups you did, and I think it looks a lot better this way. Those knobs will surely find their way as it will please the elves ...
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And not to discourage you in any way, but odd shaped bassed tend to make you look a bit dorky (or in this particular case, dorkier) -
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I never was into lighting volt, jagged edge basses. They looks great if I was watching somebody else dressed up to match the whole look and the attitude of the music matched (I would almost demand it...).
On the other hand, I don't want a safe and boring bass that looks like a plain round sucker either.
It's just a matter of taste.
I still have much work to do with the Toma_Hawk. Looking at old Native American Drawings from the past, the Toma_Hawk was a short budded rock leather tied to a stick, lased with beautiful Hawk feathers.
Man, that's beautiful to me... It will be a challenge, to embody in this bass, for something that is so simple.
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Is that a Linc Luthier in that pic?
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No, it's an early 1980s bass by Geoff Gale (from Wales, UK). This is from the Korgis video for Everybody's got to learn sometime - which has had its fair share of covers, perhaps most notably by Beck.
As someone on Talkbass.com found out, James Warren of the Korgis sold the bass on to one of the guys of Tears for Fears.
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Virtual model with Toma_Hawk...
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The perspective here, is the ratio in terms of size of the bass, in approximation of a individual who is 6 feet or in height, (in proportion) or taller.
I believe the bass is well proportion to my size as well. I am 6.1
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Hal, did you decide on which woods the Toma_Hawk will be made of? Do you have an idea of the overall weight yet, just out of curiosity?
Greg
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I'm with Adriaan, I think the silhouettes probably give you a better idea of what the final product will look like. It will be really important to keep the neck laminates centered through the body. Have you considered a no show top?
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You are right.
I edited the Silhouette to take more of the edge off... It should match the Virtual shape as close a possible...
Looks good, even as a 2D Silhouette...
Thanks guys.
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Here's the silhouette Small Body in comparison to the Toma_Hawk.
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I am really hoping that this emblem could be applied. (http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/61929.jpg)
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Natural color Eames era art style...
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Just one question - did you try concepts that would orient the point of the Toma_hawk perpendicular to the line of the neck - like a real tomahawk?
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David,
That's funny.... in the year 2180 (170 years from now), you will see the concept of your question, if I am still around
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The finger board draft...
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I am really liking the double boomerangs... I have to think about this... Damm!
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Edited draft...Finger board (Mother of Pearl)Boomerang Change = double boomerang on octave...
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Phase-1 design done...
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1. Shape/body
2. Controls
3. Fingerboard Design
4. Crown
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Oh yeah, the color too.
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Profile: Toma_Hawk draft...(thinner neck) Short Scale, Blue LED with Pin White Strip along the side of neck...
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Looks great Hal!!!
Just off topic a bit, but how do you manage to do all of those things???
What program do you use, and how can I learn to do things like that!?
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Thanks Georgie.
I am just at the Thinking out loud phases.
I use a very old program called: PhotoImpact 6.0 by ULead, but you could use many photo and rendering digital drawing tools.
The version I have is very dated, but it's like an old glove
I believe I paid (some where around) $30 back in 2000, and it's still relevant today.
These days, with a digital camera, and photo editing capabilities, you can learn to do so much more than my Chuck-covered wagon program...
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Hal, may i just say as being someone who has ordered there own custom build, your passion and energy for your dream Toma-hawk bass is highly commendable and i'm sure sure when you have ironed out all the details with mica you will end up with a bass that is second to none and your own original shape to boot, well done that man!!!
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This is the more refined back with Toma_Hawk emblem.
Draft I am considering...
I want the back to be very rustic looking...
to honor a period.
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But Las Vegas in the front Baby!
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As for the Brass back plates... I like them.
Reminds me of bullet shells (which are also brass)... I love the aging... I would appreciate an older plate for both covers (if you guys have one in the back somewhere...)
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Thanks Dave C.
This design was in my head SCREAMING to come out.
Sometimes the most simplest changes, could be the hardest thing to do. The shape of this bass and the Alembic glass sounding clarity, and accuracy makes my heart skips a beat, with every edit to perfection.
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In respect to the Red-Tail Hawk, the feathers tips are red.
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so are you planning on trying out for a famous band or are you just doing this for the heck of it? do you know the price yet?
Lets not go there... Do you want the board to erupt? I have asked that question myself of many of these great basses built. Trust fund or not its not our business. This idea could be a topic in itself across many boards.
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What's funny with this guy; I already own an Alembic...
Therefore, with his logic: I should be currently either trying out with a famous band, or already in a famous band...
I guess Alembics are only for famous bands. LOL!
As far as the cost of my Alembic, I'll let him know his price if he wants to buy it. Oh, and I will keep our business between us too.
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By the way, the Toma_Hawk is a keeper. I will never sell it, once it's made.
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Bottom end... Black and White for better contrasting...
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Hal, this is a great thread! With everyday I look here to see what your brain storming has come up with. You're really blazin' a trail here, and I look foward to seeing your dream instrument come to life. Well done!
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Updated Neck and side color configuration.
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Thanks Tim.
The concept feeds on other ideas. There's so much to this, and with all the warm colors, its really relaxing putting this into some rational perspective where Mica and her staff can see the mess I am trying to make.
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I find your enthusiasm so amazing, Hal! All the effort you are putting on the development of your bass is unbelievable and it is very nice of you to share everything with us.
I can only imagine how it is to have such a dream becoming reality.
Greg
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This is The Club... I can't express all the things I learned from others on this board and had prospered.
Life is short. I am 44 years old, and I know younger people who are no longer with us. Why go to my grave without trying to fulfill another dream?
Why not do it now... (while I have my health, and good humor to boot)-- let's go at it... let's try to make something better, nobody holds all the decks to this card of life, but only play the hand, we are dealt.
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Lights on, lights off... with a strip along the side of the neck and with the bass in the frontal position, you can see the white striping.
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Go got to have this bass with white frontal trim, and Mother of Pearl Boomerangs...
I am thinking -- B.B.King's Lucille white trimmed guitar...
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Boomerang direction change...
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White or Mother of Pearl laminate rap-around on finger board trim would be wonderful...
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is there really an order for this or are you a serious crack smoker?
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That must be a nice way in saying, this bass is beautiful. Right Jeff?
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I talked to Mica about clear pickups...
I want them on the Toma_Hawk.
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Just LOVE the idea of clear pups!!!
Maybe even clear back plates and covers!!!
Great to see the Guts!!
George
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Hal
E-Mail sent to you!
George
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I like the clear pickup idea- have you ever seen Q-tuners pickups?
http://www.q-tuner.com/ (http://www.q-tuner.com/)
I've never pulled apart an Alembic pickup before and I know the low impedance nature of the pickups probably means the 'guts' look a bit different, but I've seen a couple basses on Talkbass with the Qtuners that looked really nice.
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Hal have you got the TARP funds from Jeff yet?
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maybe alembic can find you see through wood....
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Jeff, I think they call that Lucite...
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Great ideals George, and thanks for pictures -- those are awesome guitars. Although having a clear back plate for the Toma_Hawk was never in the cards for me, I do appreciate other ideas with plastic.
The Toma_Hawk, will have Alembic's traditional brass, back-plates.
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I had a phone discussion with Mica on clear pickups, and I was provided pictures of clear pickups on another bass.
In my concept bass, the pickups are to be the exact pickups used for Series I/II basses. However, the Toma_Hawk bass will use ones completely encased in clear plastic (not color black).
Toby, those are awesome pickups, but to uses anything other than Alembic parts i.e; pickups, for the Toma_Hawk Bass would be out of scope for this project.
Thanks for sharing for your point is also shows a company meeting the demands for clear pickups.
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Hal,
I knew you weren't going to use anything other than the Alembic pickups. I just thought I'd post an example that I remembered.
Are the example pictures Mica provided from an Alembic bass? If so, would you mind posting them here? I'd love to see how they look. Are the poles, windings visible like on the Q tuner pickups?
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[Now read this very slowly, and think about each word...Jeff]
Jeff, most pickups outer cover, are plastic -- and they come in many wonderful colors.
Some covers are even made of clear or transparent plastic.
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Why I chosen Transparent (Clear) Pickups.
It's obvious.
The sound of Alembic pickups, are so unforgiving accurate; all I could think of is:
Alembic pickups -- Crystal Glass Clarity.
Therefore, to having transparent Alembic pickups on Alembic basses, including the Toma_Hawk bass, is very fitting...
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Flax, that's hilarious.
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Flax,
I guess this redirects (distracts) my attention for a moment, for it entertaining, and believe me, I do need to laugh more... Thanks man.
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Here you go Toby...
Clear pickups on an Alembic...
http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/00004_frontviewB.jpg (http://www3.alembic.com/img/inst/00004_frontviewB.jpg)
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how about see through strings!
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in the late 70's I had a Cimar, ( Gibson Copy) Marauder which had clear pickus. Looked pretty cool.
So i think Clear alembic pickups should look great. I have no idea what the colour of the inside of the pickups are but I was thinking, that if Alembic are making the pickups as a one off for you, you could probably include an object on the top of the innards of pickup to compliment your bass.
Here is an idea hope you don't mind.
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Jazzyvee
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Being a conservative guy, I always wanted the emblem on the back of the bass (as examples seen here). However, after talking with Mica about the position where I wanted the emblem to go originally, she said it was possible, but it would yield a thicker body.
So, I had decided to scrap the idea, because I didn't want a thicker bass, over a simple emblem.
So, I left the idea all together until I was inspired again... (Kind of like creating new music...)
I kicked the idea around over the week, and decided to have emblem placed behind the bass, but this time... behind back side of the crown.
With the emblem on top and in plain view (not blocked by my growing waist line) and with solid wood to contrast the emblem, it's a win win...
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Jazzy,
The depiction of the emblem being placed somewhere on the pickup (inside, outside) would be more complicated, than what meets the eyes.
Also from a aesthetic perspective, I didn't want to take away the sheer sublime look of an ice cube and light reflections and shadows without something blocking them.
With the emblem on the pickup, they look like a new pickup brand.
I can hear it now... Man, what brand is those pickups with the INDIAN feather on them...
That would drive me insane...
You know what I am saying...?
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One last thing on the emblem...
The emblem will be made with a real materials: sea shells, obsidian and colored glass in other words, a mosaic menagerie.
This is why I said, it's more complicated...
If the emblem was just a sticker... well that's very do-able Jazzy
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No problem, I get your picture.
Jazzyvee
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Hey Jazzy, even the original Gibson Marauder had clear plastic pups - a Tele/Strat type bridge pup, and a humbucker.
I played a Cimar J copy for many years - really cut my teeth on that.
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You should have the 12th fret inlay more like A Perfect Circle band logo instead of offset.
(http://www.davesrock.com/static/aperfectcircle.jpg)
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If you're getting brass back plates, how about get the image enameled on the plate?
Just a thought.
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The symbol of the 12th fret is the horoscope sign of Cancer (the month and day I was born).
Also, born under the Chinese horoscope, Year of the Dragon..., but that symbol was already taken...
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Yeah, the brass back plate is an open canvas. I can see adding craving out a stenciled image of the Toma Hawk Icon. Perhaps even a carved image to the point it breaks the walls of the brass. (This would allow air to cool the electronics) However, I would have a screen behind the plate, to keep lent out.
In any case, this work (if desired afterwords) would be after this bass was built and delivered with the plates whole.
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When are you pulling the trigger and making it happen?
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I all ready pulled the trigger... and it's happening...
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Shouldn't that be swung the axe.
OO
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Or is that swang?
OO
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swung the swang? Yea, I think that about sums it up! lol
Bill,, tgo
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Now we're swingin'
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ya'll have a sharp sense of humor!
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Clear High-Hat Alembic (Lincoln) knobs on the list...
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Clear selector switch knob, on the list...
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And a Plexiglas body, too?
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Altgrendel, just in case you didn't read prior post..
The logic...
If it's plastic, I am considering having the parts become translucent plastic, and not colored plastic.
Simple right...
Nowhere in this design, I wish to exchange wood or metal components into plastic ie, body neck, bridge, strings etc.
WHY NOT...?
Because those parts are not made from plastic.
I can't even imagine A PLASTIC Alembic Bass.
I would love someone to make one.
Not for me...
You had me laughing so hard, I almost fell out of my chair
PLASTIC PARTS: Pickups, Knobs, and selector switches.
Therefore, whether I choose clear plastic parts, or colored ones, (guess what...) they are still plastic.
Ok, let me take an official position on the parts...
Oh, I already did...
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Yes, it was a joke. Glad it made you laugh.
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Hey Hal, maybe you could get Alembic to build you a DS5 in a plexi box? And maybe even the 5-pin cable in clear plastic insulation! And, of course, you have to get some see-through picks to play with!
Bill, tgo
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LOL, Bloody-Marys for breakfast again Bill?
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Bill you don't have to lose any sleep... this bass will look awesome when its done... I promise.
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I don't think that clear plastic knobs will wind up looking too good - you'll see the bushing and shaft of the pot, plus the holes for the two set screws and the set screws themselves. These holes will be milky unless you have them buffed, which would be rather costly. Unless you can find a 1/4 shaft knob for the pots and a 1/8 shaft knob for the selector switch that is already made, having these parts custom made will probably be shockingly expensive.
Also note that knobs can be changed at any time! So if you start with a standard knob, and then later find the knob you love, you can always switch them out.
I know you're not going for a clear plastic backplate, but on that note, in case anyone else gets any ideas, that won't quite work because we need to complete the shield with the interior of the backplate, so if it were clear plastic, you'd see the silver paint through it.
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Therefore, in moving forward -- The Toma_Hawk bass will be built with traditional standard black plastic knobs and selector switches.
Thank you Mica,
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Hal, if I may, I think the Toma_Hawk will look better with the black plastic knobs. But if you are looking for some sort of invisibility, why don't you try some wooden knobs of the same wood of the top of your bass? That would blend well, if that is what you are looking for. And will definitely keep the looks discrete, in case you still want to keep it that way...
Greg
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Greg, your reasoning is impeccable.
Discreetness was exactly what I am looking for with the controls...
If you remember from other posts, I was trying to do more with less. less, is more...
My first attempt were to keep the controls down to only two controls with multifunctional pots, but after learning from others, including Mica it was too much of a major feat, and not practical for the size in mind, for this bass.
I am sure over the many years, after this bass is made (of course...) like Mica said, I will try other knob configurations, and perhaps even wooden ones.
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Since, as you say the trigger has been pulled (or the axe has swung) will we be seeing this move over to the FTC thread?
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The suspense is terrible. I hope it'll last
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Hal,
Yes, I was thinking on the original theme of keeping the bass simple, the less, is more...!
I'm glad your bass is about to come out!
Something tells me that you are gonna have one busy FTC thread!
Greg
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Are you going to do a boomerang direction change so that the ones above the 12th fret point to the nut and the ones below the 12th fret point to the bridge?
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GREAT CALL Altgrendel! That is a wonderful idea!
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Fingerboard directional change!!!
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UPDATE ON NECK.....
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Haste make waste...
Take it slow, that's surly the way to go...
Measure twice, cut once...
Patients is a virtue...
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cool...the twelfth fret markers look like akin to two interlocking hands.
wave on,wave on...
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The boomerangs pointing downward, almost symbolically begs you to go high/low in a flurry solo in an almost arrow like suggestible way...
In search of the perfect neck...
From the results of my my rulers and digital calipers, and taking neck measurements from an existing Alembic Short Body, made it easy...
As a Sub class of the Toma_Hawk project, I dub this name for the neck work...
OPERATION: Broom Stick, Quick.
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Boy, this thread got real quiet. Is this project going to happen?
Bill, tgo
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The suspense is terrible. I hope it'll last
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The Toma_Hawk life true size sample mold.
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Please what ever you do, never do the Tomahawk Chop with Jane Fonda..
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That is one of the greenest walls I've ever seen....
I like the mold of the body- it looks smoother and the changes to the body shape look much more subtle than in the photoshopped versions above.
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Yes, Styrofoam is much easier to work with in some-what 3D. It give me a very good perspective for the real thing without the weight.
The controls I was working on, and was my main concern. I really like the bow like the overall shape where the volume and tone controls are located. There still may be a need for more adjustments on them, but this is the general idea I have in mind.
I will be sending my models to the mothership soon as I am done with all the mods.
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I guess everybody knows this bass will be a Series I by now.
I was considering a Series II, but this is smaller body (even smaller then the small body), and being I am not a big fan on many controls on the bass -- the Series I controls is more than I can ask for in a bass.
Its getting there...
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Hal, I sort of expected this project to push the electronic envelope too, the first Series III?
Bill, tgo
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The Alembic Toma_Hawk's 1/4 jack inlet, will be on the lower tip end, and lateral (central between the front and back of the body).
This will allow more give it a more cleaner look. I rarely use 1/4 jacks on my shorty, so it will not be missed if the Toma_Hawk has this in another non-visible location.
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Re-mix
This will allow more room, and give it a more cleaner frontal look. I rarely use 1/4 jacks on my shorty, so it will not be missed if the Toma_Hawk has this in another non-visible location.
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The Toma_Hawk was designed to support my playing style. When it comes to straight playing bass, the body supports my fore arm in a stable and rest position (as my original 1976 Series I Small body design).
However, when it comes to popping and thumbing, my arms need more freedom and less restriction from the wood. This is where the my 1976 is too big, and the Toma_Hawk solves my problem and efficiently gives my arms more freedom, and greater flexibility. This is why I wanted the the downward edge body.
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If you rarely use the 1/4 jack, could you do without it (& the batteries) altogether? That would give more room for the essential stuff.
Peter
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The 1/4 inlet is in scope of this design.
I think it is great to have the choice in using the a straight connection without the DS-5R.
Naaa, I am keeping the 1/4 -- batteries and all.
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I AM DONE.... MICA, WORK YOUR MAGIC!
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Do I see the Mach-V in the background there?
OO
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You are seeing this correctly.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice the front of the fabulous Mach 5.
Olie, your bass is beautiful man.
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A Rock solid design... The H_Alembic Toma_Hawk Bass
Coming to life soon....
This is my last post on this thread.
I thank everyone's input and positive feedback on this project, this has been fun, and a wonderful experience.
Hopefully, we will see this project move to the Factory To Customer database thread, until then, I wish everyone peace.
Hal -
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/63304.jpg)
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Finished CONCEPT!
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Thanks Hal, I wish I coluld take credit for it but that goes to Alembic.
Is the Toma_Hawk beyond the planning yet and into the creating stage? Should make for a very watched and interesting FTC thread.
That's ironic, I watched Speed Racer the movie Suday night on cable. Totally didn't get it either. Reminded me nothing of the old Speed when I was a kid.
OO
Go Speed Racer....GooOO
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Cool, I cant wait to see that bass being built..
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This Toma_Hawk planning phases are over. So, to sum it all up, this is Blue Print of the Bass of My Dreams...
1. Maroon Maple front, Mahogany middle Aged Natural yellowish orange) Maple back
2. Wood: Maple, Ebony and Mahogany
3. Series I Electronics
4. Switchcraft 5 pin Connect
5. 1/4 Connect
6. Chrome Hardware (All)
7. Boomerang Mother of Pearl Fingerboard inprint
8. White Strip laced around Fingerboard
9. Translucent (Clear) Pickups and HumX
10. Master Volume
11. Ebony Laminate and Fingerboard
12. Toma_Hawk Emblem on back side of top Crown
13. My design and shape of the body.
After almost 2 years and 2 months of this announcement to the Alembic community, (on this board) history was created again with all of you.
Mica and Susan, must work their Magic.
It will be, if it is meant to be... It is for us to... Watch and C C C.
GO GO GO!!!
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Unless there's any questions, this will be my last post on the Toma_Hawk...
Thank you,
Hal-
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Let the dreams come true!!!!
Greg
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Revised....(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/63689.jpg)
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thank god!
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I am waiting to see your wonderful bass FLAX.
I am sure it will be way better than my chum-bucket concepts.
God Bless you too.
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(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/63747.jpg)
take your pick
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Nice furniture! flaxy
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Such lovely basses.
So Flax, are these basses your original concept basses? If so, they're beautiful and you are a genus.
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Personally, even if they aren't Flax's original concept basses, I still think they are beautiful.
Bill, tgo
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ok wiseass
the tribute bass was my idea and i personally asked susan to make it for me while they were making wolf.
The electronics are my own design. so are the neck dimensions and string spacing, the pickup placement was mine and rounding off the corners of the saddles was something i came up with
You dont need a new body design to have an original thought.
oh direwolf- it was the first 5 string with the omega cut out and wolf inlay, again the controls were determined by me after we came to agreement on the design-oh and let me know if you see another tailpiece like that one on an alembic. but what the heck
it was only a custom of the month- so what do i know?
the classico? you have a problem with that because its not an original concept?
it just happens that it may be the best sounding classico they ever built according to ron.
btw- i have seen and heard some of the alembicians custom concepts while at the factory- a couple of them looked great but sounded awful- although they were still better than a fender... who's to say that by reducing the size of this supposed bass order, you arent gonna kill some of its sound? im just wondering out loud
Basses are like women= you can find yourself a beauty-- but when she opens her mouth she gets real ugly real quick
then there's the woman who doesn't look the hottest. but when she opens her mouth, you find a soul that runs deep and true.
(Message edited by flaxattack on April 15, 2009)
(Message edited by flaxattack on April 15, 2009)
(Message edited by flaxattack on April 15, 2009)
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Hey Flax, are you a genus or merely a species?
hehehehe
Bill, tgo
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Hey, I was thinking the same thing Bill. Got to be genus, as his three Alembics are species on there own.
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i am genus flaxinatum eatameus
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I am sure we all agree Alembics are beautiful basses. No problem here...
However, the only person who has a problem is Flex.
His slanderous remarks about me and my concepts is out right laughable, and can't be taken serious. He introduces himself on my thread by saying I am/was/is/must-be on crack for my concept bass.
Then I started to think... maybe in his world, I am on crack...
Well, if this is true,[I am on crack (according Flex)], then as a crackhead, I believe those (3) fabulous Alembic basses are his actual basses, and not just his pictures.
Just maybe, Flex believes I think he own those (3) marvelous Alembic basses. Well, he said I am on crack, and if I am on crack, believing those fabulous Alembic basses are his, would be true in his own mind.
WAKE UP!
Even if Flex does own the basses (which I must doubt seriously he owns crack or not...), one would would think; Flex would have the humility, and respectful/insightful etiquette-necessary to others Alembicans, without resorting to personal attacks.
Being well enough and happy with his own beautiful and wonderful (3) very expensive and high quality Alembic basses, (again, I doubt he even owns) why would anyone care to waste time to discourage others from trying to make something nice.
You would think he's paying for it...
Flex, one liners, basically, ran its course, and not even funny anymore. After showing the pictures of the basses, it just didn't fit.
This guy is delusional.
Gets some help.
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I am not wise. You have the best basses Flax. Is this what you wanted to hear right?
Again, this was a thread I started, and what does Flex do... He take a sludge hammer to my ideas, and then redirect attention to an issues outside the scope of this discussion. (That was pretty cleaver Flex)
He then validates his degrading words with a picture of (3) fabulous basses, with hopes, to cover a huge, and giant gap or of his confrontational personality, winning praises.
Oh, and he feel he understand women too?
In his mind, women are simple objects.
Your little simple rant is funny as heck... Man, you should really listen to yourself.
Everybody, Flax has the best basses!
He's a genus, and is the man who understand a good woman, and he picks his basses the same way!
Enjoy the picture of those Alembics.
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and pictures of women too..
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for gods sack
its spelled
G-E-N=I-U-S
i rest my case........
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btw- if you dont think i own them
call mica or go to the custom thread..
genus!
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get 'em, flax. and ftr... i'm coming for you in that 'best sounding classico ever made' category. a show down is imminent. and also ftr, i think the toma hawk bass is a nice shape, underscore or not. i, personally, wouldn't have it painted. but hey- that's why they customize these things. either way it will be fun to watch, as always.
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This has gotten out of hand.
This thread has gone from following the design of a concept bass to throwing petty insults back and forth. Honesty, guys, how old are you?
Flax: In my personal opinion, I think your comments on this thread have been pretty sarcastic in general and I can see how they could easily be taken to be insulting. Perhaps it started as a miscommunication but it is clear now that this exchange has escalated into anger. You are, of course, entitled to post whatever you wish where ever you wish (within the guidelines commonly understood on this forum/enforced by our dear mod Dave). But I believe that the age-old adage If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all applies beautifully here.
Hal: Please excuse me for saying something you already know, but remember that this bass is YOUR bass. If others disagree with your design, that is completely within their right, and if that bothers you I think you should just try to shrug it off. It really doesn't matter what anybody else thinks because this bass is for you. That being said, this forum is a wealth of information and is an extremely useful resource to tap. In the end, however, you are designing YOUR perfect custom and yours is the only opinion that matters.
Whenever I make an important decision or take on a meaningful project, I try to educate myself as much as possible on the topic in question so that I can follow the best course of action. I am a total believer in the usefulness of constructive criticism; I think it is a necessary part of any such project. However I am also convinced that criticism can be delivered in such a way that everyone's feelings and opinions are respected. Agree to disagree.
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That was well said Robin.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God (Matthew 5:9)
If you read this thread, and followed it closely, you will find, that I had taken Constructive criticism very well.
In fact, some valid concerns, from people I felt were important, were changed and improved. This is the spirit of community, I was hoping to share.
Right out gates, Flax said I was smoking Crack
Flax provided a pure form of Destructive criticism.
Now, just because I have a problem with him calling someone this degrading insult (which happens to be to my own defense) does not mean this is a example of not being able to take criticism.
For heaven sakes, call it for what it is. I had said nothing to prove to the facts that resulted to showing weakness toward anyone's constructive critiques about the my designs Toma_Hawk concept. Nor had I ever pit my concept against with any of the other amazing and beautiful Alembic basses created.
So, please don't match and compare and oversimplify Flex vs Hal... You had never read anywhere, where I had shown poor taste or acts of destructiveness. Hal don't roll like that...
Flex kind of rhetoric is violence, Calling someone a crackhead can be dangerous in some areas. All it takes is a spark, for a flame.
As for me, I don't need a referee, nor do I advocate censorship. I am extremely tolerant, just don't put your hands on my Children or me and peace will reign 360/24/7.
Besides my ego is never damaged by lies, but some people, don't take destructive criticism to kindly.
Anyone who calls women objects, must be never taken seriously anyway.
Flex, get some help.
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Flex don't like the Toma_Hawk.
Ok, big deal, the birds will still sing, flowers will bloom, and lovers will love anyway.
Peace,
Hal-
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Hal, you say You had never read anywhere, where I had shown poor taste or acts of destructiveness. I seem to remember some discussions involving an Alembic and lighter fluid?
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Go back and recover what I said.
This was a fun discussion was about Jimi Hendrix setting his guitar on fire, and then smashing to pieces in Monterey California.
I said only Jimi could set his guitar on fire, and get away with it...
And I said, the only bassets I know who has the same level of skills is Stanley Clarke.
Never the less, I felt Stanley has reach the summit of his talent and is the master of the object called a bass guitar. If he'd burned his guitar, he would get away with it.
I then said, I would pay good money to witness this and Stanley Clarke came to mind.
My statement was a symbolic statement, based upon the the complex meaning when Jimi done this.
According to my father (Who was a student and graduate at Cal Berkeley) was there, and said it was very meaningful ritual. It was like Jimi exalted himself above the man made object in some way that assisted his prominence in America.
If you read any of Joseph Campbell works on culture and rites of passage, you may have a better clue to where I was coming from.
Some very wealthy people from other cultures, take a vow of poverty for spiritual cleansing and enlightenment. Some people sacrifices lambs. Jimi did his guitar.
Lastly, I said I don't believe I am qualified and had re-written the pages on music. Any guitar would upstage me, and in my opinion, I can't name anyone famous who would be deem qualified to perform this other than Stanley.
This was a complement to Stanley, and it was the highest accolade I could give him.
Some people brake expensive bottles of Champagne, just before launching a wonderful cruse ship. Some of those Champagne bottles may even be more valuable than any Alembic made, but people do it, and people applaud. Maybe you can identify with this ritual since it is a Western thing, and that's cool with me too.
But from the tone of your message, you are seeking fault, and I if you keep digging, you will find some, for nobody is perfect, and I would never want to be. I love learning!
Peace,
Hal-
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Adriaan:
You beat me to it.
And, in all fairness, I don' see where Flax called women objects. In fact, I find his post to be just the opposite - recognizing that a woman should be judged on her mind, not her body.
Bill, tgo
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Hal,
Having been exposed to film footage of Hendrix, Townsend and others vandalizing instruments many times over the years, I still remember my initial reaction over thirty years ago - my stomach turned. It's a rite of sacrilege, really. Smashing a bottle of champagne at the launch of a ship? Superstition and showing off.
Peace nonetheless,
Adriaan
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Adriaan:
Have you ever heard John Hiatt's song Perfectly Good Guitar? You might like it (I certainly do).
Bill, tgo
Well he threw one down from the top of the stairs
Beautiful women were standing everywhere
They all got wet when he smashed that thing
But off in the dark you could hear somebody sing
CHORUS:
Oh it breaks my heart to see those stars
Smashing a perfectly good guitar
I don't know who they think they are
Smashing a perfectly good guitar
It started back in 1963
His momma wouldn't buy him
That new red harmony
He settled for a sunburst with a crack
But he's still trying to break his momma's back
REPEAT CHORUS
He loved that guitar just like a girlfriend
But ever good thing comes to an end
Now he just sits in his room all day
Whistling every note he used to play
There out to be a law with no bail
Smash a guitar and you go to jail
With no chance for early parole
You don't get out till you get some soul
REPEAT CHORUS
Late at night the end of the road
He wished he still had the old guitar to hold
He'd rock it like a baby in his arms
Never let it come to any harm
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Basses are like women? Hummm...
What lead to this Woman/Bass comparison anyway, I like getting to the heart, I hate being ignorant, so lets read what he said, and what is really meant:
Flex's own words:
i have seen and heard some of the alembicians custom concepts while at the factory- a couple of them looked great but sounded awful-
Ok, his opinion: ...some great looking Alembics, sounded awful.
Meaning: The Toma_Hawk bass looks great, but it will sound awful.
Flex knows this, because the Toma_Hawk looks great.
What logic is this without actually listening, and hearing it play musical notes?
Even dismissing the woman/bass comparison, (which I won't...)
He already dismissed my bass before even hearing it.
But comparing women to basses (I JUST DON'T GET IT)?
Alembic make basses are as different, as people tastes. I think this is what a custom is all about. GREAT!
Some people are wine connoisseurs, but guess what?
Their opinions, although thoughtful and respectfully and may be taken seriously to those that drink, but since I don't drink, the knowledge is basically worthless if it is only centered on drinking.
I don't rag on people's basses. I think people who do this, shows a sign of there own greater weakness.
The greatest sin of man is prejudice. To condemn something with out fault. This a primal, deserves the clarification of a species or genus.
Honestly, there is nothing in the world than I love most, than to see people doing wholesome things for enhancing themselves especially musical in music, and there is good in everybody and Flax is not my enemy nor are you.
Nobody is perfect and his words, are his, and I will be judge for my short comings too.
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Nobody is perfect and in this world nor is Flex. I will be judge for my short comings soon enough.
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Hal,
Having been exposed to film footage of Hendrix, Townsend and others vandalizing instruments many times over the years, I still remember my initial reaction over thirty years ago - my stomach turned. It's a rite of sacrilege, really. Smashing a bottle of champagne at the launch of a ship? Superstition and showing off.
Then, you have a weak stomach.
Peace,
Hal-
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The time I burned my guitar it was like a sacrifice. You sacrifice the things you love. I love my guitar.
-Jimi Hendrix
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(Message edited by flaxattack on April 16, 2009)
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Well, that was so nice Flex. I thank you for your validation. The Toma_Hawk is ugly ok, got it (why did you take so long?)
I wish you well too.
Let me leave with this...
Flex, I was born blessed in so many ways it would make you mind spin. I been on this earth long enough to understand and properly deal with people like you. In a way I feel sorry for your over simplifications of this complex world.
Dude, you are really over acting, and getting irate like I really care about what you have to say. You absolutely nothing about me, and I can care less of what you think. So, just go and play your three basses or whatever you do...
Far as I am concern, from the very beginning of this thread, your comments were never invited, or warranted, for comments. It was you that had negativity in your heart to throw the first blow by call me a Crackhead for creating the Toma_Hawk with Translucent Pickups. (Certain irony of this, links to the bridge, on the depiction of the Classico) is translucent.
BUT SO WHAT, for now own, let's be men and honor a charter from this day forward, from any future threads I start, if you see hendixclarke, just avoid the temptation from joining OK!
I promise the same accord. Do we have a deal?
I give you my word, I will not join your discussion!
Peace,
Hal-
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Can you be a MAN enough to avoid my discussion and I will avoid your air space as well?
A good fence make great neighbors.
Can we have this accord?
YES OR NO?
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I'm confused-where did this all go wrong? I hope Dave chimes in to clear this all up. In the meantime can't you guys sign a treaty or something? badum bum
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Hi. Let's clear this up even before Dave chimes in. We have the power! I'd really prefer if all participants can keep personal communications confined to personal emails.
It's sufficient to say some like chocolate, and some like vanilla. Of course, I like coconut, but you know what I mean. Thanks.
back to business: Hal, you should check your email for the price quote you requested. Terry has a copy too and he'll be in the shop doing repairs tomorrow.
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3rd party opinion, Toma Hawk is not overly attractive, no one knows how it will sound yet, could sound like a cat in the engine of a car being started up(but it's an Alembic, so it can't sound bad), could sound like a choir of a thousand angels singing in perfect harmony, Flax didn't mean women are like basses, he was saying it's the stuff on the inside that counts, meaning their personality(you pervs).
The weak stomach comment, that didn't even make since, it's like being kissed by a girl for the first time, holding hands, first time having sex, getting married, if your stomach doesn't turn then something is wrong with you mentally. When it does happen, that doesn't mean you have a weak stomach, think before you say things, please.
Stanley Clarke is definetly not the only other person worthy of destroying an instrument, that is a personal opion(i don't even like him that much, just not my thing) but there are still plenty of musicians worthy of destroying their equipment if they so please to do so.
So guys, if you are going to argue, make sure that it is even worth it before using the same argument each time(shows lack of intelligence), and make sure that you know what you are talking about.
Thank You
~Taylor
P.S.- i liked that song, Bill
(Message edited by tmoney61092 on April 16, 2009)
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Mica, I am looking forward t moving forward with the Toma_Hawk.
This will be a Awesome project, and a very remember able project to say the least.
Thank you and I look forward to details as we move forward...
Many thanks, for the Toma_Hawk is getting ready for flight.
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Bill - re John Hiatt: love the lyrics, can't stand the singer.
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I just want to chip in here on the subject of destroying instruments. Whilst it's possibly ok for someone to destroy a fender that was made by a machine which doesn't care either way, I can just imagine that the handful of artisans at Alembic would be appalled and heartbroken at seeing an instrument that they had a personal hand in crafting being destroyed.
Also, I think it highly unlikely that Stanley would even countenance it, considering that, apart from the dragon's breath, he's paid the same as us for his Alembics.
Graeme
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I think the destroying of any instrument is a self indulgent waste. It's bad enough we live in a world where we waste its natural resources for personal gain and comfort. Regardless of how inexpensive an instrument it is, somewhere someone could use it.
Don't burn or smash it, DONATE IT.
OO
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Nicely put Olie.
Graeme
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Olie, I agree with every word you've just said. Here in Brazil, were music schools are not able to afford instruments, those donations would help to create some amazing musicians. Instead of giving an artist a second of glory, it could give a future artist a life of glory...
Hal, sorry to change the subject on your thread, I just felt that I needed to lay my opinion on the destroying instruments subject...
Greg
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There out to be a law with no bail
Smash a guitar and you go to jail
With no chance for early parole
You don't get out till you get some soul
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The soul of this thread was napalmed like many of the other threads I created.
I'll just say a prayer, and let this one rest in peace.
It is amazing how the same people kill's my threads. I will say nothing more, for I accept the position of humility before a much larger problem than this.
This really is hilarious!
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Can't we all just get a bong??????? By the way I love your idea or any idea that has originality, you are gonna love the Toma-Hawk and thats all that matters. I wish you the best of times with your new creation. Congrats! Peace & low notes......Bear
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The weak always recruits.
Thus it takes many Hyenas to take down a Lion.
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Thanks Smokin Bear.
The Toma_Hawk will be made by the best people in the business, so I have no bit, byte, and/or musical note of worries in my heart.
I will love all the flaws too, for there is nothing on earth perfect, nor is life about this anyway...
Peace,
Hal-
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Hal, I don't think you should get upset that some threads evolve into some other discussions... Every conversation leads to another, otherwise, we would stuck with silence.
I believe that you are probably feeling like this because this thread represents your dream, and some upsetting stuff happened here.
But let me tell you something: I'm placing all my bets that the Toma_Hawk is going to be one of the best basses around. Different, full of passion, original and unique. And you know that nothing should make you feel otherwise.
It is indeed a shame what happened here, but it happened. And I'm sure that will be soon forgotten... because bad stuff happens to give strength to the stuff that really matters.
I'm for sure one of the people here that will follow your bass step by step. Because I realized it is not only another custom bass, but another custom dream. And that is what Alembic does. They build dreams.
Sorry if I said anything wrong here, I never intended to say anything of such nature.
Greg
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TOMA_HAWK UPDATE:
Just got the approval and blessing from Susan and Mica that the Toma_Hawk Bass can be made with no limits in sound quality, playability, and performance.
Susan also boldly said, if there were any design problems that would cause problems, the Toma_Hawk concept would had never been accepted. Alembic quality will never be compromised.
Not only am I very happy to understand this philosophy, I am also honored to have had my design accepted to enter the very long halls of Alembic Inc today!
The ball is now rolling, so bring on the love, and positivity to see this bass concept move from here, to the virtual halls of: FACTORY TO CUSTOMER
Aproved!
Let's build THE TOMA_HAWK BASS!!!! :D
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Congratulations Hal!!!! Such good news!! Time to watch carefully the FTC!!
Greg
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Thanks Greg, If you notice, I had second thoughts on clear pickups after thinking really hard about them. Clear pickups does not contrast better than the black pickups against (Maroon) flame Maple. I had also done away with the white side walls or bindings. I felt it was too much of a cosmetic add-on, that just was was not necessary. The Les Paul look got lesser and lesser. However I added something new to the concept bass; I added a Master volume control. So, yeah this baby is headed to the factory this week and the pictures are my latest renderings.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/63970.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/63971.jpg)
Body: Maroon Flame Maple front/Mahogany middle/ Maroon Flame Maple Back. Neck: Ebony Laminate Neck Finger Board: Ebony. Neck Side wall: Blue Side LED'S. Mother of Pearl Oval Standards Inlays. Body Shape: Toma_Hawk Body!
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Hal, personally, I never really approved the idea of the clear pickups... I think the black ones will give your bass a much better look...! Keep it simple, remember?
Now, just a thought: did you consider moving the Pickup selector switch to the lower horn instead of this new set up?
I'm just afraid that maybe it will make the knobs section to busy like this...
Greg
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Keep in mind that the Flying V and the Explorer were considered strange in their time. Look what those '58 beauties are worth today.
Good luck, Hal.
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The more I look at these renderings, the more I want this bass. These drawings had been such a tease for me.
I originally -- (if you look at the first draft), had black pickups, but clear ones were dancing in my head.
I wanted something unusual looking. Something in my mind that said: this is different and foreign. Over time, I started to slowly reject it after Mica showed me the guts, it was too much of a dominate copper.
Copper (Orange) and a maroon body, didn't contrast well. When colors don't contrast, it can be a energy drainer for most people, including myself.
So it was not the nature of clear pickups, it was the visible color (copper) from inside the the pickups, I had a problem with...
If the Toma_Hawk body was all Black, the clear pickups and copper would be awesome, and look Stealthy! The Maroon colors (if used) could only then be a mere accent to the black.
So, there it is...
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Just curious about the spelling. What is the significance (if any) of the _ between Toma and Hawk?
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Just curious about the spelling. What is the significance (if any) of the _ between Toma and Hawk?
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The shape of the Toma_Hawk is the most valid feature for my playing style. In Normal play, I get the same comfort from my Small Body Series I, where I am resting my forearm on the basses most extended part of the body... My body is basically in a neutral position, with movements only from my arms, hands and fingers. Thus I am not exerting much energy from other parts of my body like my legs, and back. I call this: "The Neutral Position" in playing an electric bass. Again, the Toma_Hawk plays like any Small Body Series bass in Normal Play. (See caption) In Slap/Pop Play mode, the Toma_Hawk action is distinctly different from my Short Body Series I. The Toma_Hawk was designed to support the Slap/Pop Play forms of bass playing. The Toma_Hawk will add greater balance between both Normal Play and Slap/Pop. When I play in the Slap/Pop mode, (The Attack mode) the Toma_Hawk's wedged back is less restrictive and resistance of my arm movements, and this is what makes this body wonderful form me! Also, in the Slap/Pop Play mode, I am exerting many more muscles and I am getting a great workout too, and I need freedom to move! (This is where the bass becomes my percussion instrument, and I get a true jazz-exercise "Jazzercise" ) for the groove! To some it all up: I definitively feel this shape supports both styles more equally to support my cultural musical style. "The Toma_Hawk is like having (2) Alembic Basses in (1) cool design!" Peace, Hal-
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Jonathan,
The significance...hummm
Symbolically, the name (Toma Hawk) is above or over the line, or a cut above the line.
Literally, an underscore (_) is a character while the hyphen (-) is a math symbol.
Thus, Toma_Hawk is (2) twice correct (Symbolically and Literally) above the line, and is a character or has it
It's also a habit.
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To sum it all up: (remix)
I definitively feel the Toma_Hawk shape supports both styles more equally to support my cultural musical style.
The Toma_Hawk is like having (2) Alembic Basses in (1) cool design!
Peace,
Hal-
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So, has the order been placed? I'm confused. You said it was approved, but it looks like you then were discussing electronics tweaks after that.
I guess I understand the performance intent of your design now. The conservative among us would add a bevel to the upper body of the small standard body to gain some of that freedom of arm movement you're looking for.
Are you sure about your knob positions? One thing I would consider is whether I am more likely to be making pickup configuration changes (pickup selector switch) or volume changes (master volume) during an individual song. For me, it would be volume changes and I would probably want that master volume swapped with your pickup selector. The fact that I do most of my right hand work closer to the neck than the bridge would also factor into the decision. If I played anchored at the bridge, I might still go with your layout as the master volume would then be better accessible with your layout.
With the pickup selector then placed between the Q switches, I would want the point aimed straight up for the both pickups position, forward for the neck, back for the bridge, and the off position would fall wherever it falls.
Of course, nothing is perfect for everyone, but it pays to consider how you're going to use it, if the order isn't already in.
-bob
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The order has been placed, and the whole paper work, has been settled. The Opening Kickoff for this game, starts Monday!
As for a bevels, I factored their usefulness, and found them great for strumming electric guitars like my Fender Strat. But when I play them in Normal Play, I want the support and not something beveled. The Toma_Hawk shape is my definitive answer.
Susan and Mica will get my measurements for the Toma_Hawk and the model templates.
As far as the control knobs, that was the biggest headache because I had assumed ideally I could use double functional pots... which would be only two or three knobs at best, and two Q switches, and a pickup selector switch. Less is more.
So, after having the traditional diamond pattern, and looking at it and letting it marinate in my mind, I got some very good advices from other Alembicans to add a Master volume, then I kicked that around, and finally came up with the arraignments, and then edited my final cut to Mica. What you see, is the final rendering. I am completely satisfied, and I don't think there will be anymore changes from this perspective.
The pickup selector will be at the front of the other controls but will not be placed at the horn like with the olders Small Body. People complained about hitting the selector switch including Stanley Clarke, so Susan mandated a change unless special ordered.
I agree with the change whole heatedly, thus the Toma_Hawk design will not have the selector control on the horn.
The Master Volume in my mind, should be in the middle of the controls. Once I get my pickups in in the correct intonation, I can simply crank it or damping it to a hum. This means, I don't need to re-tweak the tone if I slightly change the volume of a pickup. This was my direction, but with the Master volume in the middle, I don't need to look for it.
The Q switches are as a point, in a triangle with the Bridge Volume and Tone. It like what home designers speak about when you are in the kitchen. You want the triangle of the sink; the fridge; and the stove/oven. Using the triangle map, made sense for each pickup controls as well.
I like the whole idea of controls following the body symmetrically. So for the most part, I am pretty happy with the layout. I don't see a reason to be concern at this point.
The 1/4 connection will either be on top of the lower end of the bass, or it will be between the bass.
I think we are pretty set.
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A very remember-able quote from Susan I will always remember was when she said:
When you get your new bass, your older Series I, will get jealous.
That was scary, because it was like she read my mind...for she's right.
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Let there be light!!!! Or should I say thunder???
Greg
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The 1/4 connection will either be on top of the lower end of the bass, or it will be between the bass.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
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A typical 1/4 connection inlet, are generally located on the top surface, at the tail end of the body...
I like this position, but I am not sure if there will be enough space there.
The other option, is like shown here on the Monty:
http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_monty.html (http://www.alembic.com/info/fc_monty.html)
I hope this makes better sense.
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Yes, thanks.