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Alembic products => Dreaming... for now => Topic started by: toma_hawk01 on September 05, 2009, 04:01:42 PM
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I am thinking Medieval times of dragons and magic...
The Jester was the roll of keeping the very serious discussions and decisions with an added touch of comical wisdom.
A Coco bolo bass I imagine so far...
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no controls? is this one you want to have built for you or just a design to have in Alembic's database?
~Taylor Watterson
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Both.
After looking at the Alembic Dragon Wing, John Entwistle's Buzzard, the Alembic Spider and Lieber Explore -- all fostered some very interesting shapes which represented a theme.
In comparison to those basses I mentioned, the Jester bass design is also eclectic and would fit within the same class somewhat...
As far as controls go, I hadn't figured out where the controls will go. However, what I do know -- in my mind, I see this bass as a SII.
However, for now I am going to need to continue to refine my drawings.
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 05, 2009)
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I am going totally Medieval, on this bass. The Coco Bolo is completely yummy and very fitting.
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 06, 2009)
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I want an elegant aged Old World look. Brass hardware is a must.
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Greater refinements...
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The Crown of the Jester...
This bass is is very unique from top to bottom. I really love this bass.
I believe the crown is balanced to the theme I am trying to make...
Any constructive comments?
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Close up render of the Jester Bass...
Gold or Brass hardware.
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I think this bass needs a mighty contrasting tyrant bass to accompany it. Maybe a 5, 6 or more stringed bass.
Your medieval theme makes me think of the wonderful track by Return to Forever. Duel of the Jester and the Tyrant.
Maybe some inspiration from Chick himself even.
http://www.return2forever.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/407728/pid/400132 (http://www.return2forever.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/407728/pid/400132)
Jazzyvee
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Jazzyvee,
The best Jesters, are the greatest entertainers.
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I'm trying to figure out how to ask this without being insulting.
I'm curious as to how the body shape invokes the theme of a Jester for you.
Curious minds want to know.
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No insults -- your question was very well taken.
This bass represent an abstraction of what a Jester to me symbolize. One of mystery, music, and joy to the opened heart.
If you look at the lower left corner of the bass, you will notice a pointy or sharpest area, which looks like the Cap of the Jester, and to the lower right, looks like a long skinny chin.
If you look at the top end of the bass, the crown it looks like a Jester's cap.
If you look at the full body of the bass, it looks like a very jolly and happy persons shadow of arms held high, and legs looks like their jumping... with sheer joys of life.
Oh, and one last important thing -- this entire object, can makes beautiful music.
If the Toma_Hawk design was about taking the shortest distances, to get to a destination, the Jester bass is totally the opposite -- it's about taking the scenic route... Its about taking time to enjoy myths/legends and great treasures.
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 07, 2009)
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A Shirley Bassey songs -
There's always a joker in the pack
There's always a lonely clown
The poor laughing fool falls on his back
And everyone laughs when he's down
There's always a funny man in the game
But he's only funny by mistake
But everyone laughs at him just the same
They don't see his lonely heart break
They don't care, as long as there's a Jester, just a fool
As foolish as he could be
There's always a Joker, that's the rule
But fate deals the hand and I see
The Joker is me...
The Joker is me.
We are all Jesters, for nobody escapes the personae of a Joker...
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 07, 2009)
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I remember we talked about a battery meter... Well, I see this bass with a vintage old-style needle gauge, with a lovely integrated Plexiglas window.
I will render a depiction of this and how I see this working...
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The battery meter (the circular object, to the right...) has a spring (on/off) switch control for immediately checking the 9 volt batteries. The spring switch designed to prevent un-warranted switch clicks.
The position where the battery meter is placed, is no accident. It look almost like an eye, but its position (while strapped) to enable the user the immediate abilities to gauge the battery life on the fly. I love analog meters because, they add a antique appeal to simplicity and detail elegance like a Swiss made, time piece.
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The dream lives on...
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 09, 2009)
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Here's a larger picture of the Jester Bass.
It's really growing on me... It's a viciously possessive object. Don't stair too long... It pulls you in to its funk!
Hee heeeh eeeeh!
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 09, 2009)
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I see this bass as a Fretless Series II.
I should have the concept completed by 2010.
I am still undecided on wood configuration and neck measurements. I am sure Mica and Susan could aid me. This topic will resurface in the future if it is God's will.
This is one of those projects, I can only envision Alembic taking this to the field goal...
I am loving this bass big time.
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 28, 2009)
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I love the body shape but I'm not overly crazy about the headstock, I honestly like this one more than the Toma_Hawk, not dissing it though because that one also. I am looking forword to possibly seeing this thread
~Taylor Watterson
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I believe it is very important to have an understanding of scale, because at first glance,
this bass looks small.
The image below show an outline of The Jester in comparison to an Alembic Small Body bass.
As you can see, The Jester is quite larger, in proportion to the elements and components required.
Where the Toma_Hawk design caters to a
FUNKNIFICENTS, The Jester caters to an under represented, yet high-in-demand need for the UN-Freted form of FUNKINESS...
Names like, Percy Jones, Bunny Brunel and of course the Great Jaco Pastorius comes to mind and heart.
I will pray for the return of the (5) Spirits to make this bass, I hope they are not afraid to visit us again
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 28, 2009)
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I love the body shape but I'm not overly crazy about the headstock, I honestly like this one more than the Toma_Hawk, not dissing it though because that one also. I am looking forword to possibly seeing this thread
~Taylor Watterson
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oops, didn't think it posted the first time, sorry, think you can remove it dave?
~Taylor Watterson
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Hi Taylor,
The crown is whimsical as a Jester's hat goes..
As far as looks goes, it's personally very difficult for me to choose one bass over another.
This is a limitation on on my part.
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The Ace, The Queen/King, and The Joker
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 28, 2009)
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crazy!! can you stop to invade our mail box ???
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Pierreyves. If you edit your profile, you can customise your email notification so that you only get the mails you want.
Graeme
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h?las, no I cant choice what thread I don't want, only topics.
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In order to deactivate receiving emails from specific users who post...
Alembic would have to provide members rights of their entire dynamic membership database roster (new and current members).
The solution seems sensible, but highly impracticable. However, if this solution becomes a project, it don't take a rocket scientist to know, the cost for such project will funnel to a price increase of their products.
It's cheaper for us to use the delete key on our email application.
Lastly, the user who creates a thread in any one of the categories, has absolutely no idea what other members check for their preferences. Therefore, if anyone receives an email on a topic(s) they selected and rants and rave as if the poster has any say in the matter, a worthless cry. People who add content, has no knowledge as to who automatically received an automated email.
The best solution is to look for trends where people you like/dislike hang out. If the chances are great, you would get an updated email, check or deselect the topic. This is what I do.
I only select reply on topics, and all the other topics are unchecked.
Works great.
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 29, 2009)
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I dislike the idea of filtering folks out. It is easy enough to not reply to someone when you don't like what they have to say. Public arguments seldom reflect well on any of the participants.
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A solution to the filtering question has been posted here (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=18803).
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Thank you David.
I use Thunder Bird email. I will test the methods suggested.
I'll stay updated from folks who give positive vibes, and those I learn from the most.
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on October 02, 2009)
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As a results of my testing in screening names from entering my email account automatically and seamlessly was performed successfully with Thunderbird 2.0xxx
Works like a charm!
But, with (1) T-Bytes of storage on my system, I have loads of space for simple emails and those beautiful pictures of amazing Alembic basses!
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on October 02, 2009)
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Hal, You really are an imaginative, creative soul. I really hope to meet you, someday, and see your completed instruments, and hopefully play them!
Peace;)
Frank
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I am hoping to hookup soon with you and others at Alembic gatherings.
I will be taking notes on the reactions of people as they take the Toma_Hawk for a spin.
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The upper horn needed some attention...
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The lower bout (with all the controls) looks too heavy in comparison with the rest of the body to me.
Graeme
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I disagree Jack.
Here's a comparison of a Famous Exploiter bass with my Jester.
From first glance, the Exploiter looks Top-heavy (the pointed area, at the top end -- of the body...) but from judging it's popularity its a very comfortable bass even for me.
So when it comes to the Jester, from the stand point of balance, the Jester looks very balance from the start.
But let's be frank about it, eyes are deceiving...
However for me personally, even if the Jester bass was bottom heavy, I would call that a win.
I love the Chin (where the controls are...) of the Jester bass.
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on November 18, 2009)
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I'd visualize a diamond pattern on the fretless neck, similar to this....
I couldn't imagine this bass not having the diamonds. This is a must have. This is just a drawing... In real life, this bass would upstage anything on stage.
I see this bass in my heart!!!
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on November 18, 2009)
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My famous army of CCC
The recipe is somewhere on Alembic.com
Believe me, my recipe is worth more than searching for...
Happy Holidays!
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on November 26, 2009)
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Wolf, remember when we talked about sliding pickups...
Well, I am thinking about this utility for the Jester Bass my friend.
I been working out the design and engineering bugs and I came to a very good solution and still maintain the beauty of the wood.
Each pickup will be controlled by 2 knobs,
respectfully: Knob (Y) and Knob (Z).
1. Knob (Y) controls position(s)(Slide): (left right adjustments).
2. Knob (Z) controls position(s): (height adjustments).
With (2) pickups, a total of 4 knobs would be required.
The Knobs would look and feel like any knob used on Alembics.
Any and all comments are welcome...
(Message edited by the_jester on December 20, 2009)
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Here's a render with the pickups hidden behind the laminate.
I love the science of this mechanism which I will openly and freely share with Alembic. I am working on a prototype and things are looking pretty good.
Sliding pickups on The Jester Bass... ((((thinking...)))... I love it!)
This would make a beautiful Art piece, if enlarged and framed.
Peace and Love -
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(Message edited by the_jester on December 20, 2009)
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Each pickup will be controlled by 2 knobs,
respectfully: Knob (Y) and Knob (Z).
1. Knob (Y) controls position(s)(Slide): (left right adjustments).
2. Knob (Z) controls position(s): (height adjustments).
With (2) pickups, a total of 4 knobs would be required.
The Knobs would look and feel like any knob used on Alembics.
The pickups on any bass, should only be adjusted as high as the fret board; pickup adjusted higher would collide with the free moving strings.
Therefore as a solution for the Jester Bass, the frets board, should be connected and merge smoothly, and evenly with the whole whole body.
This also assures the pickup(s) (if adjusted higher with control Z) would be as high of any bass height.
A Dream Alembic Fretless Bass with sliding pickups.
Any and all comments are welcome...
(Message edited by the_jester on December 20, 2009)
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Happy Holiday's and warm notes!
GOD BLESS EVERYONE!
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The slot in the middle is lit to show where the pickup(s) are dynamically located. Knobs Z and X are positioned close enough to access the internal components to enable my adjustments while in active playing.
A Plexiglas (clear) membrane, will act as a barrier to keep out dust, debris, sweat and dirt from entering through the pickup slot.
I never seen anything quite like this from any developer, so hopefully this might inspire sharper minds to help my dream fretless become into reality.
This should be a fun Alembic project for next year 2010.
Sound Controls includes:
1 Volume
1 Tone
1 Q switch
Peace and Love -
(Message edited by the_jester on December 23, 2009)
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Hal , what is that black bass with the cone headstock ?
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hey hal, not trying to be negative here man but have you talked to anyone at Alembic about whether or not they would use your pick up design? just curious. I'm interested to see how it would work out, because I would assume any final design would pretty much come down to them, especially with an issue that isn't cosmetic. seems like a cool idea, though.
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Wolf that's my old blue OHagan bass.
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Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Oh , wearing a disguise !
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Austin, I don't understand your question.
My floating pickup system is designed for my basses only...(The Jester, and the Toma_Hawk Cyclops).
I have no other interests period, nor am I interested in taking on any other desires.
This is about my dream basses, nothing else.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 26, 2010)
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sorry hal, i thought you were talking about having alembic build this bass and use your pick up system. guess i misunderstood.
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Let me break it down...
If making this bass was as simple as discussing the measurements; the wood configurations; the choice of wood types, and assembling the components and slapping pickups on it without my floating pickup system, my bass would had been submitted to Mica by now.
With all of the above being equal, I want Alemebic or a choice of other Luthiers, not to be bogged down on my floating pickup design, I want them to only focus on the space required (nothing more is needed).
So, by the time my plans for the Jester bass enters any Luthier's facility, they should focus only on the items required for their service of what I am paying.
With all the correct measurements, when my bass is done, I should be able to pop in my modular floating pickup system in to the required cavity, and it should be able to move and groove just like that.
I hope this make better sense. I hate confusion, but someone said:
If you are not confused, you are not thinking hard enough...
Peace and love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 27, 2010)
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so you basically just want a body? why not order a Warmoth body off their website and just get them to route a pickup cavity to the measurements you send them
~Taylor
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Thanks for the tip Tayor, but NO Thanks.
By the way, this bass will be a neck-thru bass and presented to Alembic. What else would you expect from a guy like me, something less? (Just kidding...)
But I'll say this without kidding:
Since the development of my Toma_Hawk, and purposes therein, I had never experienced the flood of support globally.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 27, 2010)
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i feel the added focus on the word no was quite unnecessary and was somewhat aggressive, i'm done here
~Taylor
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Design change:
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For strings tension control, The Jester should have a Bigsby or something similar.
Crown tuned up like Jimi's custom, for just pure attitude.
Peace and Love.
Hal-
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I aggressively love Alembic basses...
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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A Styrofoam who wanted to be the Jester
Simply better than 3D modeling alone, these Styrofoam models are great because they're strong, and yet malleable than wood to finely shape and smooth out.
As all models posted, my floating pickup(s) will be a module device, which fastens from behind the bass and sealed.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 28, 2010)
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An Alembic series pickup...
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How about a scroll Fiddle head headstock for the Jester like on a Double Bass ? What do you think Hal ?(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/85249.jpg)
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Wolf, I could see this working with for aesthetic balance with the bridge and saddle below...
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However, the Jester will be using a Bigsby, thus this would clash considerably.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Ok , I see what you mean . Cool !
Sonic Regards !
Peace and Love here too _______
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My 5 year old daughter greeted me this morning with her t-shirt with the symbol of a heart, containing the peace sign.
Wolf, that was so wonderful, and after receiving your spirits too...
Wolf, that was Sun Shine.
Peace and Love my Brother, and to all Alembicans everywhere!
Hal-
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A size perspective...
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Smoothing, and rounding off the Styrofoam
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Peace and Love, Hal-
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After 9 months, this bass is measured to the T.
I can't wait to select the wood and all the natural colors supporting the configurations.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 02, 2010)
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 03, 2010)
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Fretless
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 03, 2010)
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(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 03, 2010)
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Mica if you guys can make this dream happen again, please call me.
It's time to party...
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 04, 2010)
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*** it dude, let's go bowling
where's Donny when we need him most?
[mdoerator's edit: expletive removed]
(Message edited by adriaan on September 05, 2010)
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As Miles would say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlIU-2N7WY4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlIU-2N7WY4&feature=related)
As Miles horn says:
....So what.....So What..... So What.....
So What...
Life is still beautiful, you are beautiful, the flowers will still bloom, the birds will still sing, and lovers will still love.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 05, 2010)
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Hal ____That is a great version of So What Miles is playing as strong as ever. I like his tone in this video even better then in the Kind of Blue take.
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I just sing this song when things appears to be not going my way...
But you know, things are not always what they appears to be...
I like where Miles stands on the sideline while rapping to the other cats on stage. Man, he was poised with coolness. So calm, and on top of his game even losing, he was still cool -- if not cool'er.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on September 05, 2010)
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hey Hal,
I see your So What and I raise you this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR5b0Eryr1U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR5b0Eryr1U)
my personal favorite Davis band.
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So it's like that...
I got to throw down...
Here you go...
Charlie and Dizzy -- Even Miles was humbled by these men... (Miles honored them too...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvCDCOGzGc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvCDCOGzGc&feature=related)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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ha! a battle of tunes could go on forever, but alas- most of my favorites aren't on YouTube. there's a Coltrane trio recording of I Hear a Rhapsody that just kills, but I can't find it. great stuff, though. oh, and bird and diz playing Hot House at massey hall might be my favorite recording of that. imho, max roach was the greatest bebop soloist around.
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As far as Miles goes and speaking from the perspective from being a Trumpet player my self as well I prefer his playing on the first So Whatas posted by Hal (post #263). The second So What as posted by darkstar01 (Austin )had Ron Carter really driving this up tempo version hard while remaining articulate as is his reputation to do such. Miles however did not sound to me like he was having one of his best days. His articulation is no where near the first example posted in my opinion. I also prefer his tone in the prior one. Both bands have strong points . We all have our opinions and our own criteria . As a whole I like the first one .
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personally, I like miles' playing more when he's less articulate. at much as he would deny it, he was definitely starting to be influenced by guys like ornette and don cherry(my favorite trumpet player) - especially with shorter and Tony Williams around. but to me, that band isn't about miles, it's about the rhythm section. and Wayne wrote most of the tunes (not So What obviously). but yeah, to each their own. I just like to hear miles stretch out more. kind of like how Coltrane is God as far as I'm concerned, but his stuff before the quartet doesn't do nearly as much for me.
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Kenny Garrett is my modern favorite Alto Sax player.
Kenny was hand picked by Miles, before Miles said goodbye...
Peace and Love,
Hal
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I am certainly in agreement that the rhythm section in the band with Ron Carter on Bass really cooks ! And Wayne is scrambling the eggs into a tasty treat, I really like Wayne In his 1965 Blue note release 'The all seeing eye
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All_Seeing_Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All_Seeing_Eye)
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I had the amazing privilege of studying with Reggie Workman for a couple of years, and listening to him talk about playing with 'Trane(he was actually the first choice of bass player in the classic quartet, but he moved back to Philly to take carer of his ailing father so Jimmy Garrison took over) and Wayne Shorter was unbelievable. it was the kind of thing that was like I would bring up a recording of waynes or something and Reggie would say oh yeah I remember that... I think I probably still have those charts somewhere. he wouldn't talk about Coltrane, though.
as far as the all seeing eye goes, it's a great record, and I also studied with Joe chambers for a semester. let's just say that wasnt quite as pleasant.
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Just for MEN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JncaTKABWyw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JncaTKABWyw&feature=related)
My Mother turned me on this cut back in the day...
BAAADDD!
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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The all seeing eye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pw_eWMOGJU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pw_eWMOGJU)
I love Reggie Workman's playing . You have been a lucky man .
This is a pleasant exchange of concepts and chat .
Thanks & Sonic Regards ________
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Reggie is a great, great guy, man. I miss hanging with him.
this is his current trio with Oliver Lake and Andrew Cyrille
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLA8zYLkKj4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLA8zYLkKj4)
they put out a great record a couple of years ago called Wha's 9. check it out.
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I love Oliver Lake! I've only seen him a few times (ca. late 80s, with Geri Allen in the band). My old band, Shockra, used to cover his tune, Tone Clone, which was always a show stopper.
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After thinking about the Jester bass for 9 months, I had come to the conclusion that this project will not be an Alembic project after all.
To farther my knowledge, I had decided, I wanted to be more involved with the day to day decisions on this bass -- and wanted to become personally involved with every aspect of the engineering and testing (from the rooter to the tooter).
This is my last post on this bass. All inquiries will be responded via private email(s).
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Never say never is indeed a wise statement. However, I just could not resist not showing the amount of ebony my Jester bass will possess down it's spine...
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Peace and Love,
Hal-
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[moderator's edit: The user was previously advised that posting updates on a commercial non-Alembic build are not acceptable]
(Message edited by artswork99 on October 23, 2010)
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Is the sliding pickup system no longer happening?
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First of all, I was never warned of anything the moderator said... if wrong please point this to me...
With that being said, I own 2 Alembics and had one custom made. So, for the moderator to delete a picture without any underline messages to what course I was going to take with my bass, was very presumptuous, and wrong. What made you flinch, to immediately react on a simple design which was shaping in many different directions, that was wrong to read what you wanted, and remove my ideas from the scope of an assigned thread?
I am sick and tired of being watched as if I am in a store to steal something, when I paid cash (not credit) for the things I want. In fact, I am doing the very opposite of this, because I give more of ideas when others, may profit from them. Alembic don't offer me everything, no company does.
It's sad, some humans ideas would be un-righteously censored, when this is suppose to be a dream section.
Why suppress concepts, then there are many ideas here, where Alembic players speak of solutions from manufactures working well with Alembic equipment. I seen Alembic pickups on Fender basses, and I seen non-Alembic electronics on Alembic basses. Why not delete those individuals who posted their configurations?
Why target only me?
Just the other day, I read about people buying different color strings, (not Alembic) and I seen pictures of non-Alembic pickups on Alembics basses, and even Stanley Clarke's basses had been made available for sale here.
Why target me?
Yet, when I post something, I get hassled like being profiled by a jealous cop, who pulls me over because I am and beautiful in every-way...
regardless of the unfairness, bigotry that exist.
Now multiply your actions 10 million times!
It's people like you, keeps me in reality seat. Thank you for waking me up.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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this is an Alembic forum and you're talking about building a non-Alembic bass, this belongs somewhere like talkbass, not the ALEMBIC Club, so i'm going to have to side with the moderator
~Taylor
(inb4: you're a racist)
(Message edited by tmoney61092 on October 23, 2010)
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Thanks for teaching someone who actually have experience in owning an Alembic custom bass. It was one the most exciting things I ever done THIS YEAR... You should give a try some time.
Taylor, honestly, I can careless what you think nor are you the driver of this bass. I am staying on point with what I said. On the other hand, your comments has no effect on what has happened to me this day.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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are you trying to knock me for not having had my own custom Alembic? i'm freakin 18 years old and i have to pay for all my music equipment along with everything else i do and always have had to. what are you, 4 years old because you sure act like it
i'm not trying to change you're mind, i'm saying whoever modded you're picture had the right to do so because it's not in the right place at all, if you don't like the rules or the way things are run then stop complaining and just leave
~Taylor
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Hal; an email was sent to you on this subject dated October 18. The reasons for the policy were clearly and reasonably set out in the email. The email also clearly stated that any pictures that continued outside the policy would be deleted.
This morning you chose to post a picture. Two different moderators spotted the picture. The two moderators spent the next fifty minutes discussing the matter. It took fifty minutes because we wanted to be fair to you and to everyone else. We took into account the Fenders with Alembic pickups example (which is not the same thing) as well as other examples that might be similar. We really did want to be fair and to proceed prudently. From our perspective, the picture was clearly unwarranted; and after fifty minutes of discussion, it was removed.
If you want to discuss this further, please feel free to email me.
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Yellow Alert!
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Hal; I just wanted to add that personally I do feel empathy for you, I do understand that you feel you are being singled out, and I really do wish that it were otherwise. It is as frustrating for me as it is for you, because I really do want everyone to be happy here. Everyone.
The October 18 email was pretty clear on why this picture was inappropriate; but even without the email, it should be apparent to you why Alembic might not want you posting these pictures on their site. Because of this, the moderators felt that you were quite possibly deliberately pushing the boundaries. One would hope that such was not the case; but again, it should be apparent to you why these pictures shouldn't be posted on Alembic's site. Personally, I hope that, rather than deliberately pushing boundaries, that perhaps in your zeal for this project maybe you didn't quite think this through.
Please read the email again. I think it clearly explains why Alembic does not want such pictures on their site.
Again; please email me if you want to discuss this further.
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My concept was heading back toward an Alembic solution, for I was leaving the adjustable solution, heading back to a fix pickup. I was considering Alembic electronics.
You guys shot my concept down before I was ready to speak to Mica or Susan on my options.
My goodness, that's wrong!
Alemebic does not make endorsements with musical artist is fair, but if I feel the same way, I get deleted. You can't have it both ways. I supported Alembic, and before I seek aid from the leaders, I get deleted by a moderator on a concept?
That's good for business?
I leave you in Peace, with Love,
Please delete my account.
Hal-
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Well maybe you should have went ahead and called instead of contiuously posting pictures without letting anyone know ahead of time of what your intensions were
~Taylor
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My father taught me: there are no excuses for failure
(think on this...)
I wish you success, with music and your pursuits before you. May you someday make your dream bass, Alembic or a combination, and may you accept no excuses, on tasks designed for you to solve in life.
I am no longer an Alembic purest anymore. I can't. There are other sounds, I want now.
Peace and Love always,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on October 23, 2010)
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happy end for ordinary madness & .... no comment.
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Just be happy Pierre...
Because when you shine, we shine.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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maybe it's your grammar, hal.
(sorry, mods.)
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Peace to you my brother, for we all have limits and limitations, and fortunately for me, grammar is something that, could be improved unlimited-ly.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on October 24, 2010)
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hal. this section of the forum specifically has the following subtext...
to get input when dreaming of your next Alembic creation.
on Sept 7th, you clearly posted this...
After thinking about the Jester bass for 9 months, I had come to the conclusion that this project will not be an Alembic project after all.
You said nothing after that to suggest that you were reconsidering an Alembic build so it's only right that the mods removed your post. i don't believe they're treating you any less fairly than they do the rest of us.
re the coloured strings, we're all talking about putting them on Alembic instruments. (and the thread is in the miscellaneous section anyway).
graeme
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You don't have all the facts, nor is this issue open.
Lastly, I am sure your loyalty, is a great feeling from where you stand.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on October 25, 2010)
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Guess even the truth can be ignored by some regardless of how obvious it is.....
~Taylor
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As for the strings, I wouldn't (shouldn't) care if someone said: Hey, I tried using these pickups with Series electronics, and they're great!
With my current sentiments on the the situation, I wouldn't (shouldn't) read this as an alarming situation especially, when people have rights to use whatever fits them, and express their views as this forum was designed. I always held high regards for Alembic, but their moderators focus too much on content and less on context.
I have an open mind when it comes to different things. Life's engine is about change, and adapting to them positively is an art in its self, and it requires patience, and understanding.
However, if I were to make such statements, on using another brand of pickups on my Alembic, I would bet a million dollars, it would be a discussion of ridicule, heckled to the point all substance would had been lost.
My outlook on life, is always positive.
The Jester is still on the draft table, and I will say no more than this... But regardless how terrible someone thinks a design is, I believe Alembic should never delete a concept whether it's preconceived to be an Alembic, or something else with exception to something being out-right offensive.
It's amazing how fast people get bent-up over a simple concept.
A bass with funny looking pickups, was offensive?
I am out.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Hal, the moderators are doing their JOB, as me and Graeme both said, this is the ALEMBIC CLUB and that's what this section is meant for
But regardless how terrible someone thinks a design is, I believe Alembic should never delete a concept..... are you suggesting that moderators just deleted the pictures because they thought it was dumb? because that is seriously incorrect
and no one said the bass was offensive, where did that idea even come from?
it's a non-Alembic build under the dreaming section meant for Alembics, if you wanted to keep posting about this you should have at least moved it to the Miscellaneous section
~Taylor
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Hal,
what's hapended in your life between January 30, 2010 - 1:10 pm: AND Friday, August 20, 2010 - 3:03 pm ?
7 month without post.... It's a great mystery for me regarding your usual hyperactivity in your project.
Not a judgment (??), just a question.
If I'm out of the issue (?) of this thread, please moderator delete this post.
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I looked in the closet one day, and found out I didn't have a BADDDASSS fretless bass to slam some JAZZ recordings. (Everything else is immaterial, and don't mean a damn thing...)
That's what happened...LOL!
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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The Toma_Hawk Cyclops-Slider single pickup.
Maybe in 2012
(Message edited by the_jester on December 23, 2009)
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(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/74578.jpg)
What's next?
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Great idea this sliding PU...
This is something very inovative I'd love to see. Don't know if this can cause noises or how you could made it firm enough to hold position on Slap, but you unleashed my curiosity.
I like the sound of a single PU, but seems potentialy frustrating not being able to change wich Harmonics PU will be under. This concept is something to develop.
If world not ends in 2012, I would like to see that TomaCyclop (well, if it ends I will try to meet you first!).
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Oh, and Austin's Classico too...
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Surely, you jest.
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Jesting for sure, I have the wish (to meet tomahawk) not the fear... I was kiding beacause got shoked that Austin's bass is taking so long to be finished.
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The sliding pickup system design is now complete.
This bass will have 2 pickups with each having (2) sets of knobs. I designed the mechanics where the knobs could be placed anywhere on the bass, and still maneuver the picks up/down and from left to right. The pickup system will still enable me to make adjustments with the (4) Alembic pickup screws.
I believe this is a breakthrough for the Jester bass.
Upon picking up my Toma_hawk, I will disclose my design of the Jester, and sliding pickup system to Alembic Inc., for their through review with regards to building my fretless bass called the Jester.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by the_jester on January 25, 2010)
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Here's a preview how this pickup system would work.
The top, is and opened view/cut away view -- showing the basic controls using pulleys and belts, which enables mechanism to move the pickups left/right and up/down, sliding along a pole.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/75803.jpg)
The bottom bass, is the general closed appearance. Based upon the design, pickup access is only allowed from the back side of the bass. The front appearance shall be fully encapsulating the pickups. The slit in the middle, is for viewing for pickup locations, and is viewable buy a clear plexiglas view. Also, this window should illuminate in aiding my view when making adjustments. I wouldn't expect the there would be a need for each individual pickup having a plastic shell, or at least the top portion should be exposed and without a cover, for full magnification performance. The bass already protects the exposed pickups from debris, and moister.
Cables and pulleys, can do wonders in small spaces, and I thought I would share the concept to spark more ideas, and imagination.
So as you can see, the theory of having a adjustable pickup system with a clean sublime look supporting the beauty and elegance of Alembic basses is very possible for this custom bass.
This is a journey all over again...
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by the_jester on January 26, 2010)
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would it really matter if you could see where the pickups were as long as you got the sound you wanted?
~Taylor
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Taylor, point blank... You're correct.
However, if I felt the mechanism was not moving as it should, I could simply check the pickup movement (via the window) without firing up the amp.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by the_jester on January 31, 2010)
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The project for the hidden adjustable pickup system are going through final testing... Maybe there will be a Jester bass after all!
Blinded me with Science!
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Feast your eyes... The ideas I had on adjustable is becoming into a reality. From the perspective of looking into the cavity of the bass, is where this entire component would rest, so ignore the background as it suggest, it would be on top of the surface, which is not true. The test model worked successfully, and I made farther refinements after transferring the system to actual wood. I made it where the system is completely self contained and acts as one modular unit with my choice of pickups.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/84795.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/84796.jpg)
I have not decided if this bass will be an Alembic... we will see how things go. Clearly, I want the Jester to be the best Fretless bass I ever played, and be the most complete fretless ever. What I like about the solution the most, its makes the bass for easy cleaning, and you could admire the beauty of that beautiful wood. I'll keep posting the progress... Peace and love, Hal- (Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 21, 2010)
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Hal, if i were you, i'd sell the idea to a company to get some good ol' money, or patent it or do something with that great idea, just my 2 cents
~Taylor
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Well, you've already shown your design to the general public, not sure you can apply for a patent any longer.
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Correct Adriaan. That is why I made it public. (I blocked this idea from being patented also...)
I hate the philosophy of patents. I believe it sniffles imagination... (That's my engineering mind...)
Polio was cured by one man who never patent his treatment.
If anyone wants to copy my concept and methods, I'll be happy to help. The key to my happiness is giving, and to cleanse myself from greed.
You guys know the concept, before the Government.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 21, 2010)
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well also the guy who created the treatment for polio, was doing it to save peoples lives. oh well
~Taylor
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Taylor,
People are way too hard to please. I just design things I know I'll love and cherish.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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By the way Taylor, the best way to sell something to industry is to attach your signature.
A patent only protects you for 20 years, but a signature is authenticity that last forever.
Thus when it comes to art, authenticity is the ticket.
One more thing, patent are confined to only the one physical design, when all it takes is one slight change, you are no longer protected.
Stanley Clarke patented his Spellbinder basses, without realizing these cold harden facts, but figured industry would buy those basses in bulk...
In the end, its a lesson.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 22, 2010)
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Design change...
I changed the crown to point upward, in honor of Jimi Hendrix.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/84828.jpg)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Perfected!
The first knob controls the pickup plate (used for holding the pickup) moves the plate, from left to right, and back to left again successfully.
The second knob moves the pickup height, from base platform -- to up or higher position, and back down again. The potential height adjustments, doubles the total base height with any pickup I used.
There it is:
8 months, and two days ago, I discussed this new concept on Alembic.com as a theoretical mind tease for my new fretless bass called the Jester.
As it stands now, there's absolutely no doubt, or any reasons in my mind, why my solution could not be applied to my new custom basses.
For the sake of saving space with knobs, I am working out a method to integrate everything (pickup move left/right and up/down) from only one knob. I see no major feat here...
T -10
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 22, 2010)
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if you could make a push/pull knob that could control, like the pushed in control the left and right, and the pulled be the height adjustment
~Taylor
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Correct Taylor.
There's a three way control on one knob I would like to consider:
1. Base floor- no control (neutral).
2. First Floor (pull up, first click), adjusts and controls pickups from left to right, and back... (Height adjustment are in neutral(inactive).)
3. Third Floor (pull up, second click), adjusts and controls the pickup heights from down to up, and back... (Sliding adjustment, are in neutral (inactive) .)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 22, 2010)
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Thank GOD for Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones!
Bill invented and played the first electric fretless bass guitar. The year was 1961.
Something as simple as removing frets, was strange to people, but not to Bill, and this simple feat would lead to a very important step for electric fretless bass guitars around the world.
I dedicate this build, to Bill Wyman, and Jaco Pastorius for both of these men physically removed their frets, from what -- everything there were!
Oh my goodness, those guy should be awarded their PhD too!
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 22, 2010)
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All steel parts. (Proof of concept...)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/84874.jpg)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 23, 2010)
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That's cool Hal . Just Like an old radio dial linkage for the variable capacitor frequency indicator .
(Message edited by sonicus on August 23, 2010)
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2 cents...
There is no way to maintain it free moving Hal?
I mean, keep it in place just when you hit desired spot with some kind of clutch, but permit it to slip in rails freely until that. It would be quicker to set up its position this way.
Although using screws would be more precise and firm, finding its right place using screws seems will be as hard as adjusting a truss rod, don't you think?
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Thanks Wolf,
I was hoping you chime in for we talked about sliding picks last year on the Toma_Hawk build.
I remember us reviewing other sliding pickups, and personally for me, I never stopped thinking about how one could be made, in tighter and smaller areas, and use knobs for making adjustments.
Mario, the tension from the tightly fastened wired cables does not move in any direction until you either do two things: physically move the pickup plates, or turn the knobs.
I even placed heaver objects (heavier than alembic pickups) on the plates, and everything worked fine, and without any unwarranted movements.
Also, when you look at this from the perspective of playing a bass, the rails are in the most neutral, and favorable position -- following
the direction of the neck...
With this earlier proof of concept version, I was able to make more iterations that improved the system, which enhanced my experiences, to sharpen the knob turns to a more granular as a professional tool should be.
I am also working with a third party, to customize my sprockets and belt systems, including a choice of knobs which click locks and a one knob, control both or all system.
So, it really comes down to the knob system now.
The height system works really great too. That was the most challenging piece, and very useful.
The Great Bill Cosby said: ... in order to fulfill a dream, you must first wake up...
All comments are welcome
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 23, 2010)
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Oh wow, I'll follow that topic closer from now on...
Hope you fulfill this new dream soon, Hal.
(Message edited by mario farufyno on August 23, 2010)
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Thanks Mario,
I know there are all kinds of ways to make something work.
I also understand, why people are very comfortable with fixed pickups system. I can honestly say, I love fixed pickup ideas too, however, I am looking forward to a newer satisfaction, which fixed pickups didn't solve.
I totally understand the facts behind fixed pickup systems. I am also emotionally attached to our beloved heritage, their world-wide appeal and the unparalleled esteem to a legacy of proven musical accolades, dawning an unthinkable number of awards for over 50 years.
However, for me, it's time for a change. I believe floating pickups, will be the future. It's just that simple.
I understand, Human emotions are greater than logic and reasoning. Most people act greatly and righteously for mainly emotional reasons. This is a good thing, and it's what makes us human.
But I believe it becomes a bad thing, when we prevent ourselves from learning new ways, and new things.
Some of the greatest ideas, will never breath the light of day, because of the powers of suggestions of commercial media, along with peoples cultural normality.
In the 80's, Apple Computer commercial suggested people are hurled like cattle or programmed to only trust the familiar, and/or nothing new.
However today, Apple users are so loyal some would compare them as a cult -- and to ever think of Apple consumers using anything else, is almost a sacrilege of the creed.
However, what keeps Apple a float in maintaining their loyalty, is their abilities to upgrade their devices with new innovations. Without this, Apple wouldn't be Apple. Also, if you examine the concepts on their devices, you'd probably already realized the concept(s)years ago. In other-words, Apple didn't innovate anything new, they only validated your old concepts into reality.
However the real question is:
Why do we allow or provide a more favorable business environment for new innovations, as if these innovations would leads us into a brighter future full of hopes and dreams, and condemn other innovations in the opposite light as something to be feared, because it challenges our cultural values and norms.
Should only ideas survive, if it supports only a limited cultural perspective?
For example:
When entering a Costco store, the first thing you see, are those wonderful flat screen TVs. Man those sets are crystal clear, and beautifully displayed with such exquisite color and shapes that spells Modern all over the chassis. The speakers hit you from every direction too.
In a spit second, you'll might imagine yourself looking into the bright future of owning that modern TV you'd set your eyes on, or maybe you might not feel the need to buy a current model at the present time, but found word, there was something else (more advanced, and more futuristic) of worthy, replacing your older unit and, at a more affordable price.
Why do we subconsciously approve and welcome TV innovations, and not approve or welcome change or innovations in the same light on guitars?
Are there technological bias for guitars?
I understand what a series I and II is about, with Alembic basses being already still so far ahead of the game, is there still a need to support a series III?
Tough questions here...
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 24, 2010)
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In all honesty sliding pick ups have been around for a few decades.
I have an old friend who has a 2 Basses that have sliding pick ups. One of them has Alembic pick ups and electronics. I can not post the image with out permission but I will ask . Their are others out there as well that have sucessfully mounted sliding pick ups. I believe Hal posted one or more him self.
Here is another example that has Alembic Pick ups & electroincs that is on the web ; 72-01 has sliding pick ups as you all know.
And there are a few others ;
http://www.prairiesun.com/Guitars/Dragon.html (http://www.prairiesun.com/Guitars/Dragon.html)
(http://alembic.com/club/messages/402/84973.jpg)
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As Wolf has said, sliding pickups have been around since the early 70's. Dan Armstrong had them, the gibson grabber had them and I seem to remember westone produced some horrendous thing where the rails were the main part of the body. However, none of these really caught on and I can't help but wonder if anyone who ever bought one bothered to change the pickup position once they found their 'sweet spot'. It's a documented fact that jack cassidy's Alembic no 1 in the pic above had sliding pickups so that Jack could experiment with where the best position for them would be, not as a tone shaping feature.
edit : Hal - your device is going to add several pounds to the weight of what is already a pretty heavy instrument. You may want to hire a chiropractor if it ever gets built ;-)
Graeme
(Message edited by jacko on August 24, 2010)
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Sliding pickups are over 45 years old...
Framus guitars were probably the first guitars to have siding pickups.
Well what do you know... Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stone, played a Framus bass with sliding pickup in 1960's.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 24, 2010)
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Jack, that was funny.
I don't even like heavy basses. This bass will be very light say under 10-lbs is fair.
Fretless basses don't uses frets bro.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 24, 2010)
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Hal , if there will be a Series III is a good question. Perhaps the answer depends on multiple reasons of R&D to develop such an instrument based on the metamorphosis of design and application that is driven by a customer request basis . Perhaps this concept might only make sense to me but then this is only my own rationale for such an endeavour . _____ I just be thinkin man !
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Hal, i don't think that not having frets makes a difference in weight, i've played 2 Fender American Jazzes, one fretted other fretless, didn't make a difference, both weighed the same. as Graeme said, this is going to be a really heavy instrument when built, another thing that would be a big factor would be balance since the added weight would make the body sink more, just some thoughts
~Taylor
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A Series III would definitely mean it would cost more, or perhaps offering things that would be considered an optional on SI or SII basses.
However, with a higher price, what are the benefits?
For example with cars, and how fast will it accelerated from 0-60 compared to the older models, and what are the amenities and what are the real innovations with the product?
I have ideas, but nobody asked.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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I think I am in a better position to know the actual weight of my device, and requirements than anyone don't you think?
Frankly, the weight of my device is very light... How light? About 4 times lighter than a typical bridge and could be made even lighter.
However, I think I know where this is going...
So if people are interested in the development of the Jester Bass, please send me a private email, and I will gladly discuss the challenges and successes of the making of this bass. I been through this before with nay-say'er, and there is noway I am headed down that path again. The Toma_Hawk proved me correct in every conceivable way, along with people's rush to judgments and inaccuracies.
I look forward to updating people who support a more kindred spirited discussion on this topic.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 24, 2010)
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Wolf, and Mario I always welcomed your ideas, and many blessings Ived received from our discussions.
Thank you,
Hal-
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just trying to help you realize potential issues, oh well, your money, good luck either way
~Taylor
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Hal, Thanks . I enjoy sharing my ideas with you . It seems that we both share an enthusiasm of musical instrument innovation that encompasses both technological and aesthetic refinements.
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Come on Taylor...
For something as fundamental as weight, was considered before my execution phases.
Weight as a topic was deemed history -- 8 months ago.
But thanks for the early notice...
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Wolf, I love to see fat pickups on basses.
But I also love the idea discreteness, and having them under the hood to show off all that beautiful wood, and too busy lookin good! (As Jim Kelly would say...)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Innovation isn't a simple matter of being the first to have an idea, but is to be bold enough to propose yourself to go further or even make real ideas that didn't succeed... yet, IMHO.
Go for it, Hal!
That is a stimulant proposition and Jester Bass will be, at least, an astounding tool to predict how any Alembic could sound with another PU's positioning. In fact, most of the Tone of this Bass will be setup by changing its PU location and you could even discard much of its eletronics (and weight) that way... Imagine a Bass without visible PUs or even Knobs!
Well, I'm day-dreaming now, ha ha ha. Thanks for sharing your dreams with us, Hal. Hope being able to see/hear Jester any time in near future. Best wishes...
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Check this out Mario!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbjg0YJp2iA&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbjg0YJp2iA&feature=player_embedded#)!
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Ouch, disturbing... ha ha ha
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I know....
This one's interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eiP12hQQY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eiP12hQQY&feature=related)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Here's another clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Zad5_eWVA&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Zad5_eWVA&NR=1)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Hal,
Thanks for posting those last two clips! Maybe this hints at the direction of a hypothetical Series III with otherworldly electronics hybridized with the current Alembic sonic concepts and unmatched Old World wood craftsmanship. If anyone can do this tastefully and keep the organic vibe, Alembic can.
An added bonus? No more broken strings (see concurrent thread).
Hal, your mind is like rust...it never sleeps. I look forward to your magical Jester. Between you and Alembic it should be totally killer! Please keep me posted on its gestation.
Sam
legionkondor@hotmail.com (mailto:legionkondor@hotmail.com)
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Thank you Sam.
Info stored, and valued.
Peace and Love,
Hal-
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Here it comes...
This is an the actual template hand-drawn.
No computers here, this time.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/402/85143.jpg)
Peace and Love,
Hal-
(Message edited by toma_hawk01 on August 26, 2010)