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Alembic products => Dreaming... for now => Topic started by: slawie on November 24, 2014, 04:04:11 PM

Title: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on November 24, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
OK, this is my target. It did actually come to me in a dream.
 
5 String
Fretless
Essence body style
Signature electronics
Side entry jack
Side LED's in green and yellow at 12th & 24th position.
Ebony fretboard
Front and back bookmatched superb walnut laminates
Ebony stringers in the neck recipe instead of walnut slightly wider at the D and E line of sight
Continuous wood back plates and truss rod cover.
Walnut Stained Maple body core.
Ebony laminate front and back of body
Body contour
Europa style peg head with contour edge
Embedded sterling silver logo with dark greenish coloured Abalone inlays.
Black nickel plate hardware.
Bird tail piece
Upsized bridge block
Ebony bridge saddles and ebony nut.
Recessed strap locks
Green abalone or ancient Redgum inlay Kasiana at 25 position
 
slawie
Title: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: David Houck on November 25, 2014, 03:52:16 PM
This sounds very cool!
 
What do you mean by slightly wider at the D and E line of sight?
Title: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on November 25, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
Dave,
The neck laminates are say 0.5mm thick
Where the (normally walnut) laminates run under the D and E strings on a 5 string  
I would like ebony laminates at 5mm thick.
 
slawie
Title: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: David Houck on November 26, 2014, 01:56:00 PM
Ah!
Title: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: wfmandmusic on November 26, 2014, 05:14:42 PM
Great dream!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 09, 2018, 02:51:35 AM
So I am making my dream bass into a reality.
I have started to build my own neck-through 5 string fretless.
I am currently getting Signature Electronics package for her.

So far I have 13 piece neck Maple-purpleheart-cherry-maple-walnut-cherry-walnut-cherry-walnut-maple-cherry-purpleheart-maple.
Body is Mahogany with Gidgee front and back laminates with a black laminate of 0.6mm between the M and G

still so much more to go.

slawie
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 09, 2018, 03:42:29 AM
Here are some pics.

Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: growlypants on October 10, 2018, 06:47:18 AM
That looks amazing.  Congrats, and I look forward to seeing it come to life!!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 10, 2018, 07:20:11 PM
Thanks Dan,

I'm hoping I can build something worthy of the Signature electronics.

The wood, Ringed Gidgee or Acacia Cambegai is one of the top 3 hardest woods on the planet add to that
they are found in semi arid regions of Australia they are also embedded with silica from sand storms.
Tools get chewed up at a fairly rapid rate but it is well worth the extra sharpening rate for the beauty
of the grain and ripple effect in some light it looks 3D.

So a couple of things have varied from my original dream
i.e. No ebony in the neck.
Mahogany not walnut body (lighter in weight)
No side LEDs found stuff called "Luminlay" phosphorescent flourescent luminescent (I don't know take your pick) markers.

Anyhow some more pics below



Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 10, 2018, 07:26:25 PM
Here are more pics
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: growlypants on October 11, 2018, 06:31:47 AM
Holy Smokes, it's coming to life, already!!  (I'm putting on my seatbelt, as we speak!)
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 12, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
And now a picture of the progress. 
Don’t be fooled the body is yet to be attached to the neck through.
Just conveniently placed for the photo.
I have a number of hours to rasp, file and sand before gluing the body wings.


I’ve only ordered the Alembic parts.
1 x AXY
1 x Fatboy
1 x Bird Tailpiece
Bridge block
Adjustable nut.
Once the brass parts arrive it’s off to the players for black nickel plating
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 12, 2018, 02:32:41 PM
*Platers not players
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwardofhuncote on October 16, 2018, 05:19:09 AM
Enjoying your build thread, Slawie.  :)


Kinda' missing my shop already.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 16, 2018, 01:36:37 PM
Thanks Greg.

After doing this for a couple of months and working towards
kitting up my own shop I can appreciate your sentiment.

I hope you get better.

slawie

Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 16, 2018, 02:29:40 PM
Shaping the neck.
Headstock kind of complete


Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: David Houck on October 16, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
Looking good!  And a lot of focused attention.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: jazzyvee on October 17, 2018, 04:34:29 AM
Your woodworking skills are admirable. Mine are dreadful.... !!
I'm quite surprised alembic sell the brass hardware and signature electronics for use on non alembic instruments. But if they do it's worth knowing for when I decide to have a go at making another guitar.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 17, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
Thanks guys.

I am really trying to be focused during every step of the build,
one error could spell disaster!
I don’t have the luxury of starting again or scrapping the material and a rebuild.
I’m working with a highly restrictive budget i.e. unemployed and broke. Ha.

Alembic have all bits for sale except Series I & II packages.
I have spoken to Mica a number of times for this build and she is encouraging, helpful and
It was her idea to post here to share the progress. Highly civilised of them.

I am buying what I can and will have to wait (for $) before I can install the electronics package.

I dreamed about this bass although it is slightly different to suit reality and accessibility to real parts.

I make no apologies for my build looking like an Alembic. If I was building a violin I would model
it on a Stradivarius. Same for bass and Alembic.

This exercise makes me appreciate all the work, talent and skill that goes into Alembic instruments and offers
me the opportunity and insight to experience of being the creator of my custom bass.

slawie


Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwardofhuncote on October 17, 2018, 05:33:25 PM
You're doing just fine Slawie. Don't worry too much about the mistakes... you'll make them, as we all do - it's what you do after making them that counts. My mentor used to tell me- "wood is forgiving", and that really is a true statement. It's often very hard to put it back once you've taken it out, but it can be done.

Hardest thing for me to learn was when to lay the tools down and walk away for a while to think.

Shaping the necks for my Dad's banjos used to be among my favorite parts of the build! Making sawdust!  ;D
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on October 23, 2018, 05:02:42 AM
Hey there!
Time for a few more pictures.
I’ve slowed down progress to make sure I don’t mess up the neck profile.
I also did not want a headstock back laminate so that the full length of the
through neck was exposed.
I carved a volute hoping that it gives some strength to the neck
at the nut. I hope my thinking is correct here. Anyhow no major abominations
with the carve so I am happy.
Not quite yet convinced of the headstock shape just yet so that looks set to change
a fraction. The 3+2 configuration was a nice expected bonus with the bass fitting into
A standard Fender case. I have one of those I’m not using.  ;)


slawie

Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: growlypants on October 23, 2018, 06:43:54 AM
I'm speechless!  Gorgeous!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: hammer on October 23, 2018, 11:26:31 AM
Looks beautiful! I have to admit to being extremely jealous of the woodworking and luthier skills you and a number of other board members possess.  When I'm working with wood my first and foremost goal is to avoid losing/damaging any body parts.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwardofhuncote on October 24, 2018, 05:10:54 AM
Looking sharp, Slawie.  8)





Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: pauldo on October 24, 2018, 02:47:10 PM
Very nice!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on November 09, 2018, 03:53:21 PM
Thank you for the compliments.
Below are some pictures of the bridge I’ve carved
from a slab of Gidgee.
Being fretless, I think the intonation will take care of itself so
a bar bridge I think would be just fine.
Both sides dry and then wet to show grain.

Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwin on November 09, 2018, 04:13:30 PM
Will the bridge float on the top of the bass, held down by string tension?

I can tell you from personal experience that with fretless, the intonation does not take care of itself. It's pretty crucial to have the intonation just exactly perfect. Otherwise you can end up chasing yourself needlessly, especially if you end up playing in a noisy environment. As you probably know, intonation on a fretless is an exercise in constant vigilance and it's best not to create any addition obstacles.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on November 09, 2018, 05:49:34 PM
Under the bridge I have 2 channels that lets the unit swivel and move backwards and forwards.
I am getting a bridge block from Alembic and the two bridge mounting screws will be pins that allows
small movement. Works in progress.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on November 09, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
Yes Edwin I agree with your intonation statement.


I will be able to rough in the intonation for the 12th position and open
string. I have a bar bridge on my 4 string fretless and have not had issues
through string changes etc. to be able to hit the right note up and down the fingerboard.
I’m kind of going with a acoustic bass bridge type idea.


The shape I created is supposed to be “trumpet like” to amplify the vibrations down to the body/neck mass from the contact point of the bridge. I’m also thinking about inserting a fret on the top of the bridge.
I think I will build several and experiment.

Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwin on November 09, 2018, 09:18:43 PM
Can't wait to see and hear the results! Great work!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: pauldo on November 23, 2018, 08:15:12 PM

The shape of the bridge with the smoothed radii’s is delicious!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on January 10, 2019, 12:20:11 AM
Ready for routing. Installing the AXY and the Fatboy, the bridge block and Bird tailpiece.
Thanks for the positive comments folks.
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on January 16, 2019, 01:41:20 AM
Front routing done.

Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on January 16, 2019, 01:45:04 AM
Loading up some hardware and placing the knobs. I’m trying to make the back rout as small as possible so I will be making some internal electronic relocating. I quite fancy the three In-line knobs



Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwardofhuncote on January 16, 2019, 04:06:26 AM
Looking good, Slawie... really starting to take shape now.  :)
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: sonicus on January 16, 2019, 09:00:33 AM
Exemplary  ! Congratulations on the stellar results of this project .
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on January 16, 2019, 08:41:16 PM
Thank you gentlemen
Routing the back tomorrow and fitting the electronics
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on February 20, 2019, 11:04:00 PM
Finished



Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: elwoodblue on February 21, 2019, 12:25:51 AM
Wow,
You have done well...kudos!!
 Does it sound and play like you expected?

I'd be OK with more pics,   ;)
 cheers
 
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: rv_bass on February 21, 2019, 04:02:14 AM
Very nice, great work!  :)
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: edwardofhuncote on February 21, 2019, 04:59:48 AM
Looks great Slawie - Very nice work!  :)

*font size corrected. [sigh]
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: growlypants on February 21, 2019, 06:31:47 AM
VERY nice!  (Congrats)
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: jwright9 on February 21, 2019, 07:30:41 AM
Let's hear how it sounds! Can you provide some audio clips?
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: sonicus on February 21, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Exemplary indeed !
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: slawie on February 21, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Thanks folks,

It has Rogue/Europa electronics so it does “sound” like an Alembic (how could it not?)
I have just finished it yesterday and I am doing it’s first setup.
Yes The two, dual action truss rods can give forward and backward adjustment bends solidly and I’ve not
tweaked it much at all.
Getting the electronics just right was more difficult setting the gain and pickups height.
I will record some audio and vision (pictures) as soon as I can.

I have to say that Mary has been so helpful courteous and concerned
about getting all the parts to me that I cannot begin to say how thankful
I am for her being a part of this all.

Thanks Mary and also Mica for all the preliminary work she had done.
I can’t remember who polished the brass hardware but Thanks mate!
Slawie
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: David Houck on February 22, 2019, 07:07:44 PM
Nicely done; congrats!
Title: Re: Fretless 5 Custom
Post by: moongerm on February 26, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Outstanding!!