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Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 03, 2008, 02:20:54 PM

Hello everybody. I'd like to know details of this bass which is not to me but to one of the greatest french bassists. I think that it has born in 1974, isn't it? from what kind of woods is it made?  Thank you.

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: speicky on September 03, 2008, 02:52:59 PM

Bonjour, Christophe,
 
and welcome to this forum. I hope you enjoy the great cameraderie around here. Who is the bassist you mentioned, I'd really like to know. I'm glad your daughter also already appreciates Alembic  
 
glad to have you here, Christian
 
edited for poor spelling and this %$)$%/ file locking error
 
(Message edited by Speicky on September 03, 2008)

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 03, 2008, 03:04:50 PM

Thank you Christian. Are you French too? This bassist is Francis Darizcuren. He was playing the bass for TV in the 60's and 70's and is still playing as a session bassist. He has a Basse Institut near Paris. He also was redactor for Bass Magazine. He made me discover the Alembic world. Bye!!!!!!!!!!

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: elwoodblue on September 03, 2008, 04:24:16 PM

Christophe,
 Welcome to the discussion board...I know I'm not the only one who would love to see some pictures of your early Alembic.
 
I'll have to see if I can find some film of the older TV shows with Francis playing.
 
take care,
kris

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 05, 2008, 02:38:48 AM

Here is a picture of LSB #O86 and #025-75. F.Darizcuren bought the fretted 025-75 in London and this bass can be an european serie bass. #086 comes from Washington and is a US serie.
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/394/55534.jpg)
If you want another photos of Francis you can go on his website. Christophe MEYER
 
(Message edited by davehouck on September 09, 2008)

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: room037 on September 05, 2008, 08:02:46 AM

Hi Christophe,
Thank you for the great pictures !
 
I think about No. 086.(right side on the picture)
 
1: Upper horn is 1974 style.
2: Serial No. of 1974 are around 40 to 130.
3: Serial No. 84 in showcasesection (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=8518) and 86(It was appeared on eBay) are SSB in my archives.
 
Because I think the bass is No.85.
or SSB No. 86 was actual No.85.
 
Eiji
 
(Message edited by room037 on September 06, 2008)
 
(Message edited by room037 on September 06, 2008)

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: kungfusheriff on September 05, 2008, 11:06:31 AM

Wow. That's almost as stunning as Bucky's bass. Who ended up with that one?

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 06, 2008, 04:14:13 PM

Mr DARIZCUREN just knows that the end of the SN is 086. But is this an AC, AE or std serie model? Could someone tell me what is the top wood? I would say Lacewood; maybe am I wrong? Best regards to all the great family of Alembic world. C.MEYER

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: room037 on September 06, 2008, 08:35:57 PM

It's my opinion of serial No. from my archives.
 
Following digit stamps are confused.
No.0 : c,o(alphabet), 6,8,9(double stamped)
No.3 : 8
No.5 : 6
 
Serial No. with extra letter. (following are in my archives)
A--- : 1974 (Dela'217s A013), 1975(unusual omega A051)
AC--- : 1975(AC025, AC033), 1976(AC070, JimmyJ's AC418)
AE--- : 1976(AE013 t0 016 for YAMAHA, AE069, AE082, AE40?)
o-- : 1974(o13 as Smithsonian bass, o18)
 
AC418 and AE40? are added AE,AC on regular serial No.
I think these were started to build as regular, then added stamp when exported it.
Other instruments were prepared for specific.
 
In this case, I confused the picture.
Frettless on left side is LSB #O86 and Fretted old style is #025-75, all right ?
If so, older bass(right side) is 75 o25 that I think.
Very few 75's standard body had round upper horn.(I said 74 style in my last post)
No possibility as 72'025, AC025(double neck) and AE025(1976).
 
Now, #086,
Body and PUs are late 1975 style.
Single trussrod featured before 1977(serial No. arround 650).
Regular serial No.86 is 1974.
Because, 1976 AC or AE086, or 1975 o86 are compatible for this case.
 
I wish Mica will suggest about this.  
 
Sorry for your confusion due to my representation.
I wrote with dictionaly but difficult.
 
Eiji

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 07, 2008, 12:15:47 PM

Lots of thanks Eiji.I've understood all you've written. I'm french and try to write clearly in English too when I'm on this american website. I don't know if I make too much errors but if I've got answers to my questions I know that I'm understood. AC is for Canada; AE is for Europe; WHAT ARE A--- AND o--- for ?

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 07, 2008, 12:20:24 PM

OOPS sorry. #086 IS THE DEFRETTED MODEL AT THE LEFT OF THE PICTURE AND #025-75 IS THE RIGHT ONE.

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: David Houck on September 09, 2008, 11:21:08 AM

Hee hee!!  I love the world wide web!

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on September 12, 2008, 04:48:40 AM

Salut Christope!
Comment-va mon pote?
Alors-tu dis que Dariz est en train de vendre l'Alembic??
Mais---pourquoi??
A l'epoque-c'est a dire, quatre-vingt dix sept, Je bossais pour une boite a Paris (entre quatorze et quatre-vingt dix huit) et Dariz etait le Mec lui et Pascale Mulot!
Dariz a dit que L'Alembic etait sa basse preferee, et maintenaint, il veut la vendre!?
Fais gaffe mon pote!!
A mon avis, il y a un probleme avec cette basse la-mais peut-etre elle est superbe!!??   Mais pourquoi a vendre??
Un mec comme Dariz ne vendrais jamais une telle basse. Peut-etre je suis en tort, et j'espere bien que c'est bien le cas, mais----------
Qu'est ce que tu en penses toi-meme?
 
Et le prix??
 
Prends soins de toi  
georges

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on September 12, 2008, 05:05:31 AM

Je voulais dire-entre quatre-vingt quatorze et quatre-vingt dix huit!!
Suis pas aussi vieux que ca!!
 
G

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 12, 2008, 06:02:23 AM

Bonjour Georges. Je n'ai jamais dit que Francis Darizcuren vendait ses Alembic; elles sont presque de sa famille!!!! Par contre je fais cette recherche pour lui. Il m'a dit une fois que ses basses ?taient les #86 et #87, une autre fois il m'a dit #086( C'EST PAS PAREIL QUE #86) et #75-025 (d'apr?s les papiers livr?s avec sa basse frett?e). Encore une autre fois il m'a d?clar? que l'une ?tait de 1975( vrai) et l'aure de 1970 (?a c'est faux) Il s'en moque un peu, de toute mani?re il les joue et adore ?a, alors connaitre les bois de ses basses ainsi que les ann?es de fabrication;..... Je pense le faire plus pour moi que pour lui. JE VIS ET JE RESPIRE ALEMBIC. A BIENTOT TRES CHER!!! CHRISTOPHE MEYER

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on September 20, 2008, 02:42:48 AM

Salut Christophe.
Desole! Je croyais qu'il allait les vendre.
tant pis pour toi Non??
gardes le contact
 
George
 
You speak English very well!!

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on September 20, 2008, 01:44:05 PM

Bonjour Georges. Tu sais pour le moment je ne peuxpas me payer d'Alembic. Un de ces jours j'y arriverai. Ca fait partie du r?ve....A bient?t!!!

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on September 21, 2008, 04:13:12 AM

Bonjour Christophe.
Un de ces quatres, tu en aura une.
Cela fait partie du reve, et lorsque tu aura assez de pognon, une Alembic sera chez toi.
Peut-etre un peut de credit  non??? sinon, ta carte blue! C'est ce que j'ai fait pour realiser mon reve une fois pour tout. Je ne regrette rien!
 
George

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: mica on September 28, 2008, 05:40:09 PM

My research hasn't brought me either of these files, unless 086 is from the AE or AC series, which I think may be possible since it has a preceding 0 in front of the number. Eiji has already suggested this with his research.  
 
I have the file file for AE76-086, where the AE in the record is sort of squished in, looks like it was added later to me, and may not be on the bass if that's the case (so confusing!). Here's what AE76-086 record says:
 
top and back: Purpleheart
body: Koa
through-body neck: Maple and Purpleheart, 34 long scale
fingerboard: Rosewood with mother of pearl oval inlays
peghead veneers: Padouk (Vermilion)
 
If we could find out the 3-digit number written on the preamp card inside the bass, or on one of the pots, we can confirm the identity of this bass.  
 
I could not find any record for 025 in AC or AE sequence.

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: hieronymous on September 28, 2008, 06:02:25 PM

Mica, my doubleneck should be AC-025. I have it written two ways: #75-025AC is the way it's written on a letter to the previous owner, and the headstocks are stamped AC 025 & 75-025.
 
Harry

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on October 19, 2008, 01:37:07 PM

Hello Mica. Thank you for your answer. I think that AE76-086 must be the defretted bass of Francis; and I will ask him this 3-digit number. You say Purpleheart top and back. On the photo above it seems more red than purple, is it because of all this years? or maybe a rare piece of Purpleheart...?

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on October 22, 2008, 05:26:55 AM

Hi Christophe.
Encore moi.
I own Serie 1 AE 76 069!
She is from March 31 1976, so, as the serial numbers are so close, it would seem that Dariz's bass is definitely a 1976 model, probably made 2 or 3 months after mine.
That would make her around Mai 1976.
 
George

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on November 06, 2008, 02:26:52 AM

AE 76-086 is older than me(4 months)!!!!! What is your AE 76-069 looking like? Christophe

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on November 06, 2008, 04:38:58 AM

Hi Christophe.
Look in my profile for a picture.
I have more at home if you want to see them
 
A+
 
George

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on November 06, 2008, 12:27:36 PM

Hello George. Your bass is beautiful, and its( sorry, her.... I saw you were talking about your bass like if it was a woman) hardshell case too. Denny is between Glasgow and Rosyth by the non-toll road, isn't it???? I've gone 2 times in Glasgow to unload and reload my lorry: I'm lorry driver in Norbert Dentressangle, you know, the reds....!!! Have a nice day my friend and like the Brian May arrangement God save the Queen!!!!!
......I know, I know, you are Scottish...

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on November 07, 2008, 02:04:36 AM

Hi Christophe.
Thankyou for the kind words about my bass!
Yes Denny is a small town about 30Km from Glasgow
I know little Norbert from the time I used to drive lorries for Giraud in France. I used to live in Department 93 near Bobigny!
If you come back to Scotland, send me an E Mail, and I'll meet you.
Glad to see you realise the difference between Scotland and England!
 
Take care my friend
 
George

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: fandange on November 08, 2008, 11:54:32 AM

Hello George. OK, if I come back in Scotland I'll send you a e-mail and that will be an honour to meet you. Question, I know that noone of the band was playing an Alembic, but do you love Queen? (before Freddie Mercury's death)

Title: (?) (u) Bass guitar Series I # 086 and #025
Post by: georgie_boy on November 09, 2008, 02:36:13 AM

Brilliant!!
I saw them at Wembley in Londres in 1985 at the LIVE AID concert.
I lived in london for 14 years
 
george