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Alembic products => Alembic Basses & Guitars => Topic started by: ubado on October 27, 2007, 07:48:15 AM

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: ubado on October 27, 2007, 07:48:15 AM

I got a 93' Epic and for the life of me I can seem to understand how it is attached. Where do they hide these darn bolts? :p
 
I'm not looking to take the neck off... just wondering.

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: the_mule on October 27, 2007, 08:15:42 AM

No bolts, 'just' glue. You can take a look in the Factory To Customer section, and search for one of the custom Orions.
I'm sure there's some pictures that answer your question.
 
Wilfred

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: ubado on October 27, 2007, 11:59:49 AM

Oh! Now it all comes together. That's so cool...
 
 It's basically a thru-set neck (not quite a thru-body, but not exactly a set neck, since the neck is glued... becomming apart of the body too).  
So, instead of gluing wings... the neck is glued.... clever.

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: hieronymous on October 27, 2007, 12:11:32 PM

A lot of the old Gibsons were set-necks. My Guild Starfire bass is set-neck too. Fenders are kind of the classic bolt-on, and Rickenbackers were early neck-throughs (though there are some set-neck Ricks like the 70's single-coil 4000 model as opposed to the standard 4001 & 4003 which are neck-through. And actually, now that I think about it, the classic Rickenbacker double-neck 4080 was bolt-on).

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: Bradley Young on October 27, 2007, 01:38:44 PM

Chaz,
 
I think you're mixing up set-neck and bolt-on.  Bolt on == bolts, set-neck = glue.
 
Bradley

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: ubado on October 27, 2007, 02:07:26 PM

I've heard bolt on's described as set neck before, but...Yea... perhaps your right.

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: terryc on October 31, 2007, 04:44:36 AM

Is there a dovetail or locking joint to make it more secure rather than a straight cut pocket(as in fender bolt on).
I envisage a 'folding ' of the neck if the glue failed when it was strung up.
From a carpentry point of view and dovetail/scarf/mortise with glue is very strong.
Cannot see evidence on one of the custom Orions on the Factory to Customer site

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: keith_h on October 31, 2007, 08:24:03 AM

From looking at my Orions it appears to be a straight neck pocket. Mica has made comments in the past that with the glue they use the glued joint is stronger than the wood it is holding.  
 
Keith

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: David Houck on November 02, 2007, 06:49:07 PM

The pictures I've noticed in the FTC threads suggest it's just a straight cut pocket.

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: 0vid on November 05, 2007, 03:27:27 PM

I've heard bolt on's described as set neck before, but...Yea... perhaps your right.  
 
The industry tends to refer to screwed on necks as bolt on, though technically speaking there are no bolts but screws. Mostly, the screw oon to the body. There are companies and luthiers who use a threaded insert and those tend to use socket head screws.  
 
The term 'set neck' probably comes from the notion that the glue has 'set'.
 
I have never heard any one refer to a 'bolt on as a 'set' neck.

Title: How is an Epic "Set Neck" bolted on / attached ???
Post by: jacko on November 06, 2007, 07:57:28 AM

Raymond. Strictly speaking, the fasteners we all refer to as bolts are in fact 'machine screws'. Bolts either have a hex head or a plain head with a squared off neck that fits into a square hole in the fitting - typically a gate hinge.
 
I have also never heard anyone refer to a bolt on neck as a set neck. (apart from Chaz who started this thread).
 
Graeme