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Title: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 14, 2022, 06:41:43 PM
As you all know, when the batteries of the series 1 dies, it should not matter because all you need to use is the special stereo-to-mono cable.
Only the front pickup will work in that case. Correct? Well, it's not happening. I'm sure the battery died, but that is when the special cable
 is used. What do you think is happening?
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: lbpesq on December 14, 2022, 06:48:56 PM
By “special cable” are you referring to the 5-pin cable that plugs into the power supply, or a standard cable with a stereo TRS 1/4” plug on one end, and two 1/4” mono plugs on the other?   Are you using the power supply?

Bill, tgo
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: StephenR on December 14, 2022, 06:53:50 PM
Hi Michael... if the batteries are dead the only way to use the bass is with the DS-5 external power supply and five-pin cable... or, replace the batteries. :)
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: rv_bass on December 14, 2022, 06:54:04 PM
Deleted…Stephen beat me to it :)
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 14, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
This cable is a 1/4 stereo to 1/4 mono. The stereo end goes into the bass and the mono end into the amp I SWEAR I was able to play the bass with this cable and ONLY the rear pickup without batteries. Some of the non 5 pin Alembic models don't have to deal with this because they are common 1/4 jack mono basses.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 14, 2022, 08:14:14 PM
lbpesq, i was not using the power supply. Typically, on Gigs mainly, but in my room I'm too lazy to connect it so i just use the battery mode. I have rechargeable 850Mah 9v. I swear the bass can play without batteries with the 1/4 mono to 1/4 stereo for the rear front pickup. My 80's Distillate didn't have this problem because if was 1/4 mono jack only.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: lbpesq on December 14, 2022, 09:38:05 PM
A Series instrument needs power, either from batteries, or with the 5-pin cable and power supply.  No power, no sound.

Bill, tgo
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: mica on December 14, 2022, 10:29:39 PM
Bill is correct, all Alembic instruments require power - either from batteries or the 5-pin.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 14, 2022, 10:54:39 PM
 All series basses need power got ya. My 80s Distillate didn't need batteries. Thanks again.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: jazzyvee on December 15, 2022, 06:15:11 AM
For me, the batteries in a series bass are for backup purposes only. So far i haven't used them on a gig, and hardly at home but on a gig i generally have a spare jack lead just in case i need it. I do wonder if there is any difference in performance of the electronics and sound quality between D-S5 and batteries.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: lbpesq on December 15, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
All series basses need power got ya. My 80s Distillate didn't need batteries. Thanks again.

Michael, if your Distillate didn’t need batteries, the active Alembic electronics would have had to have been replaced with a non-Alembic passive system.

Bill, tgo
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: mica on December 15, 2022, 08:28:03 AM
Active electronics = needs power source.

All we do is active, all Alembics require power sources.

Bill, I think you may have cracked the code there - if the original electronics were replaced they may have been passive and not required a battery.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 15, 2022, 06:33:41 PM
I dont remember if the distillate had a battery plate on the back. It's been 25 now.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 15, 2022, 06:37:15 PM
This is my (part of it) 80's Distillate. Did this have a battery plate on the back Mica? I don't remember. Nice flat sawn zebra wood BTY. Lol.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: mica on December 15, 2022, 07:31:34 PM
Distillates had one large plate with the electronics and the battery contained.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 15, 2022, 07:52:43 PM
OK Mica. I just didn't remember the batteries were in the same compartment. Also, the batteries powered the led on the Distillate. Ron can set up the led on the 82' Series 1 if I send the bass for an upgrade. NOT ANY TIME SOON! My Chevy Express needs new head gaskets. I already refurbished the frame and brakes last summer. The 3000gt VR4 was in the shop too. You know cars get Jealous!!
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: lbpesq on December 15, 2022, 10:33:25 PM
Unlike Series instruments, which are known for limited battery life, the batteries in non-Series instruments can last a LONG time.   I can imagine someone getting a Distillate and not realizing it used a battery for a year or more.


Bill, tgo
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 17, 2022, 02:37:18 AM
Thats right. The batteries last very long. My 70's Ibanez used a battery. I remember changing it every 6 months.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 17, 2022, 02:38:57 AM
My 95' Ken Smith BT6G Flame maple has a pre-Amp too. Last about 6 months or so.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: hammer on December 17, 2022, 05:28:54 AM
The batteries in all non-series instruments can last up to a year not just the Distillate. They last so long that I have to right down when I have changed them so they don’t die during practice or a performance. I don’t understand, however, your reluctance to use the five pin cable and power your series bass as intended. Plugging in a five pin is no more of a hassle than plugging in a stereo to mono cable IMHO.


P.S. My LED batteries typically die much sooner than the preamp ones.
Title: Re: series 1 not playing with special cable
Post by: Mlazarus on December 18, 2022, 12:18:13 AM
Hammer, I always play the Series 1 with the DS-5 on gigs, rehearsals and hopefully if i get the opportunity, a studio. Playing in my room alone, i tend to plug in the 1/4 jack. As for gigs, i learned my lesson not using the DS-5.