Alembic Guitars Club

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Title: 1974 Guitar
Post by: fivestringdan on August 29, 2022, 03:38:30 PM
https://reverb.com/item/59976200-vintage-alembic-rick-turner-custom-made-48-one-of-a-kind-w-case-pre-owned

Love the scalloped nut!
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: rv_bass on August 29, 2022, 03:46:00 PM
Nice guitar, nice inlaid logo!

Bananas at Large seems to come across the a-typical Alembics. :)
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: rv_bass on August 29, 2022, 03:51:06 PM
And the grain on the primary neck wood almost looks like oak, which they were using for bodies at that time.  Would that be possible?

I like the tailpiece, bet the screws look kinda odd.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: edwardofhuncote on August 29, 2022, 04:18:41 PM
For comparison, here's #73-45
*note logo is hand-cut, surface-mounted.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: fivestringdan on August 29, 2022, 04:31:32 PM
And the grain on the primary neck wood almost looks like oak, which they were using for bodies at that time.  Would that be possible?

I like the tailpiece, bet the screws look kinda odd.
The veneer on the back of the peghead looks like oak too.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: rv_bass on August 29, 2022, 04:56:54 PM
I think the veneer on the back of the headstock might be lacewood
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: edwardofhuncote on August 29, 2022, 05:05:58 PM
The cool factor on these old guitars is just off the charts.  8)
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: welovecats on August 29, 2022, 08:40:03 PM
Damn.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: edwardofhuncote on August 30, 2022, 03:19:09 AM
I think the veneer on the back of the headstock might be lacewood


Might be. I've also seen some sycamore with speckled figure like that. Whatever it is, both of the faces of the headstock on #73-43 has it too. Must have been popular about then.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: pauldo on August 30, 2022, 05:48:58 AM
What makes an Alembic a ‘Rick Turner’ Alembic?
Both guitars ARE beautiful and I am intrigued to hear their tone(s).
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: sonofa_lembic on August 30, 2022, 08:16:38 AM
I had been helping the family to identify the guitar and offer it for sale for them since 2015.  I was sad to see it listed by someone else this morning after staying in touch with the family for all these years.  Just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished.  I have the original photos, and it looks like someone took all the original tailpiece screws out, and replaced them with drywall screws.  Horrible!
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: fivestringdan on August 30, 2022, 09:24:33 AM
What makes an Alembic a ‘Rick Turner’ Alembic?
(s).
Marketing?
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: edwardofhuncote on August 30, 2022, 01:59:35 PM
I am a little bit confused about how, or maybe why, the strings are pulled under the moustache tailpiece. (with the aforementioned drywall screws...) Whassat about?  ???



Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: KR on August 30, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
Really nice carve on this '74.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: adriaan on August 30, 2022, 02:33:15 PM
I am a little bit confused about how, or maybe why, the strings are pulled under the moustache tailpiece. (with the aforementioned drywall screws...) Whassat about?  ???
Did they just remove the wooden base of the tailpiece, so the brass top is actually holding down the strings, like in mid-air?
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: edwardofhuncote on August 30, 2022, 02:38:18 PM
I guess that would explain what I see, at least. Hmmm... okay. Well, that shouldn't be hard to fix. Nothing irreversible there.

*granted, I'm looking at it on a tiny little screen, but I swear it looks like someone tunneled out the wood base for each string. Still can be fixed.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: flavofive on August 30, 2022, 03:16:42 PM
Gotta say, it's pretty cool that it has the same body as Jerry's "Eagle" by Doug Irwin (1971).  I'm sure it would sound different, given the completely different pickups and electronics, but sure is a cool-looking instrument!

(https://i.ibb.co/FsFZYWc/ncj0rbydwcpo2ovbv8em.jpg)

Jerry's Eagle:
(https://i.ibb.co/09kL01M/Doug-Irwin-Eagle.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/j4dg4th/Jerry-5-13-73-Irwin.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: dela217 on August 30, 2022, 04:05:58 PM
I own 73-47.   Very similar.    I also have the same neck wood construction.    Not sure what it is, but I don't think it's maple or oak.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: sonofa_lembic on August 30, 2022, 10:23:08 PM
Someone, probably at that store (since the owner of the guitar has no clue as to how the guitar works), messed up the tailpiece.  Here are the photos I had from 2015 when the lady first approached me about what to do with the guitar, and how much it was worth.  You can see it was unmolested, and strung correctly.  I told her not to let a non Alembic dealer mess with it. 
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: sonofa_lembic on August 30, 2022, 10:26:31 PM
"What makes it a Rick Turner Alembic?  The lop sided ears on the headstock.  Amazing how uneven the headstock is from side to side. 
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: gtrguy on August 31, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
The older bridge tailpiece screws are also made of brass, which can break off. I recall it was recommended replacing the screws with stainless ones but of course they should match the original ones.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: dela217 on August 31, 2022, 01:28:23 PM
Ah!    My bass 73-47 has the same problem.   The tailpiece is too high as to not allow enough break of the strings going over the bridge.   This was probably done to correct that. 74-49 which I also owned, had that problem taken care of by someone removing the wood part of the tailpiece.   Then routing a channel under the tailpiece so the ball ends of the strings would be under the surface of the instrument.

My bass 72-16 also has this issue, but I am not going to change anything unless Alembic does it.   

As far as the lopsided peghead goes, I get it.   The instruments were hand made, and they were still learning.    The overlay veneers on 72-16 are crooked!   It's ok.

Even though the instruments are hand made today, I would suspect better for sure.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: flavofive on September 27, 2022, 06:56:05 PM
I was driving through San Rafael last weekend, and had a chance to stop in briefly to see if they had this guitar there on display.  Fortunately, they did indeed - looks amazing even lined up with the other three Alembics that they have for sale!

One of the employees told me that they all came from the same person, a bandmate of another employee.
Really makes me wonder what other Alembics this person may still be holding onto, if these are the ones they "thinned out"!   ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/jr5YnLs/PXL-20220924-230914445.jpg)
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: sonofa_lembic on September 27, 2022, 11:32:30 PM
Just to clarify, the '74 guitar was not part of those other Alembics.  It is on consignment by a woman and her daughter who I have been speaking with since 2015 about selling the guitar.  It belonged to her husband who passed away back then.  I was hoping to take it on consignment, or even to buy it for stock, but I gave them a realistic idea of the value, and apparently, Bananas At Large lured them in with promises of huge money for the guitar.  I could have had it sold already for them at a fair and solid price.  The owner is still in contact with me, and said if I can line up a sale, she will consider it.  Unfortunately, the guitar is now old news, and the excitement is waning, but it is still a nice looking early Alembic. 
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: lbpesq on September 28, 2022, 12:54:10 AM
You have a Bay Area store?

Bill, tgo
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: BeenDown139 on September 28, 2022, 03:29:43 AM
Quote
was driving through San Rafael last weekend, and had a chance to stop in briefly to see if they had this guitar there on display.  Fortunately, they did indeed - looks amazing even lined up with the other three Alembics that they have for sale!

that one on the left looks like a  long scale unlined fretless anneversary bass of some sort with a dummy pickup in it.  i'm kinda lookin for one of those.  did you say this is for sale somewheres?  if so, where at?  i may have some interest.  :-)
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: JimmyJ on September 28, 2022, 03:31:57 AM
https://www.bananas.com/collections/pre-owned/products/alembic-fretless-4-string-bass-pre-owned-w-bag (https://www.bananas.com/collections/pre-owned/products/alembic-fretless-4-string-bass-pre-owned-w-bag)
Jimmy J
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: pauldo on September 28, 2022, 07:04:17 AM
That guitar has this 4-stringer intrigued.  She looks kinda dusty and tired, but that is what makes her so interesting - I bet she sings.
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: BeenDown139 on September 28, 2022, 08:09:26 AM
thanks jimmy!  your teh best!  anybody ever tell ya that?
Title: Re: 1974 Guitar
Post by: flavofive on September 28, 2022, 09:08:47 AM
Just to clarify, the '74 guitar was not part of those other Alembics.  It is on consignment by a woman and her daughter who I have been speaking with since 2015 about selling the guitar.  It belonged to her husband who passed away back then.

Ah, gotcha.  Thanks!