Alembic Guitars Club
Connecting => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: edwardofhuncote on June 22, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
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Best to use the short-scale set, even with the longer after-length?
Long story short, I tried to wind a long-scale set onto a Starfire the other night, and managed to break the E-string right at the tuner. :(
I think because;
A.) it was a used string, and;
B.) the winding/silk terminated right at the post.
I really want to try some Pyramids on this Starfire... they were okay on my Distillate, but (sigh) TI Jazz Flats sound so much better and play so much easier. Something tells me they'll be perfect for this particular bass though.
Anyway, I know this is the place to ask about anything Starfire-related ;D
*this is a bone-stock DeArmond Starfire... but I suspect there are some mods coming. More on that later. ;)
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Looks a little like one of Jack Casady's Starfires... before the grand experiment began. ;)
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More on that later. ;)
Burying the lede.
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Beautiful bass, Greg.
I have two Starfires (a '67 and a newer reissue one that is being Alembicized). I use short scale Pyramid Golds on both of them. Pyramid Golds sound fantastic on Starfires, personally I wouldn't use anything else.
Gotta love hollowbodies!
Rob
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Thanks Rob, figured one of you guys would know... I'll order a set tomorrow. ;)
It has D'Addario Chromes on it now, and even with the stock equipment sounds pretty good. It may end up with BiSonics or Darkstars eventually. Or who knows... maybe even a pair of AXY's and some East-Meets-West circuitry. ;D
**one more question.... anybody know where I can order a replacement (Pyramid Gold) E string? The only singles I've been able to find are the B string gauges. I'd hate to toss the rest of the set for one string.
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bassstringsonline.com?
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Guild is selling a version of the bisonic pickup, which I think sounds fine compared to my '67 Starfire
https://shop.guildguitars.com/product/guild-bs-1-bisonic-bass-pickup/
Curtis Novak makes a nice version of the bisonic, and he will build them to your specs as well.
http://curtisnovak.com/pickups/BS-DS.shtml
Aa east meets west Starfire is intriguing as well!
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Thanks (again) Rob. ;)
I believe someone had installed a set of those (or something like them) on this bass before, as I can see there is an extra set of holes peeking out from under the pickup surrounds. I'll look into them.
Went ahead and ordered a set of short-scale Pyramid Golds for it, but still haven't found where I can buy a single E string to replace the broken one. Guess I'll be on the lookout for a secondhand full set and have some extras. :)
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Greg,
Try contacting the company directly, I have purchased individual strings from them before.
pyramid@junger.de
www.pyramid-strings.de
Also, these online companies sell Pyramid Golds, maybe they would be willing to sell individual strings (but make sure they have them in stock and are not just ordering them direct from the company):
http://www.juststrings.com/pyramidguitarflatwound.html
http://www.stringsandbeyond.com/pyramid-strings.html
Also, you may have to cut back some of the silk wraping so it doesn't sit on the nut or bridge saddle.
Rob
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Also, when my Starfire is finished being modified ( hopefully soon :) ) I will have an extra Bisonic pickup that you can pop in there and try out if you want.
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Yep, I saw on the package where they will do a custom gauge for you. Not a big enough deal to worry over... I just hate having a broken set laying around. ::)
Looks like Guild is currently back-ordered on their Bi-Sonics... I'm not in a hurry anyway, but that probably is the direction I'll go on this one. Just don't have the experience yet to tackle a D-I-Y Alembicizing. I'm really not particularly unhappy with the sound of the stock DeArmonds for now.
Looking forward to seeing your Starfire finished... that'll probably be what finally pushes me over the edge. See, you guys have ruint me!
(I swear, it's a real word around here) ;D
Thanks for the advice. ;)
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Personally, I'm skeptical about the new Guild Bi-Sonics. The original Bi-Sonics are kind of a holy grail, leading to the early Alembic pickups - the Dark Stars were a meticulous, loving re-creation - the Novaks as well. Did Guild really engage in similar engineering? I'm still skeptical but open to the possibility that they have really created something equal for half the price, but I need to hear it to believe it.
I'm not trying to discourage you, just wanted to get my two cents in. Actually, maybe you could get them and some Novaks and do a comparison!
I was also thinking - email bassstringsonline - he responds pretty quickly (though it can be a day or two depending on what's going on) - you never know, he might have one lying around. I've never tried Pyramid Golds myself - stick mostly to regular LaBella flats on my short scales. Have fun with the project!
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Harry,
Here is one comparison of the new Guild bisonic and the Novak bisonic to start with:
Rob
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Harry,
Here is one comparison of the new Guild bisonic and the Novak bisonic to start with:
Very interesting - I think this topic deserved its own thread!
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It may end up with BiSonics or Darkstars eventually. Or who knows... maybe even a pair of AXY's and some East-Meets-West circuitry.
If you want to jump start the Alembicization of your Starfire or at least have the components stashed and ready to go there is someone on Talk Bass selling an Anniversary Electronics chassis and also the two pickups from the same instrument. He has the pickups listed separately from the chassis. Looks like they are probably a good deal, too.
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/alembic-20th-anniversary-preamp-electronics.1291205/#post-20168365 (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/alembic-20th-anniversary-preamp-electronics.1291205/#post-20168365)
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/alembic-axy-pickups-4-string.1291200/#post-20168328 (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/alembic-axy-pickups-4-string.1291200/#post-20168328)
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You guys are killin' me... I sent the seller a PM, so we'll see what comes of it. ;D
By all means- take this thread wherever... I always enjoy the tangents we end up on. I started out just looking for an E string replacement, and ended up here. ::)
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is it odd that the ad for the pickups suggest they came out of one bass and the ad for the electronics suggest they came out of another bass? Based on photos of different Anniversary basses in the two ads.
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Agree, weird.
I remember seeing the (presumably) legitimate CL ad for that walnut Anniversary Model a while back, in the area of the seller. (was in Maryland IIRC, now in D.C.) Don't know about the maple one... looks like a screen-captured stock picture.
The old adage about things that are "too good to be true" may apply here... I haven't had a reply yet. We'll see. ;)
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Harry,
Here is one comparison of the new Guild bisonic and the Novak bisonic to start with:
Rob
Well, while I'd like to hear it through a serious hi-fi rig, that's encouraging; I had assumed the new "Bisonics" were like the "bumblebee" caps Henry the Slime sells to the reiss cork-sniffers for $50 per "for vintage paper-in-oil tone"; dude on another forum cut one open - it's just a modern poly cap encased in clay & painted to look like a bumblebee.
Peter
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Getting back to Pyramids, get in touch with Max. He makes a special set for Starfires which are medium scale strings. They fit perfectly.
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Thanks Edwin, figured you would know. ;)
Max?
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Thanks Edwin, figured you would know. ;)
Max?
Send a message to the contact link at their site. He's the guy that answers.
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Thanks (again) Edwin... I'll try that.
Yeah, the Bass Strings Online store is backordered on all Pyramid strings, so maybe something has interupted production. :-\
Oh well... I'm not in a hurry anyway. :)
And FWIW, someone beat me to those Anniversary electronics, though I still could have bought the pickups, I passed on them. I'm thinking the Starfire will eventually end up with either Guild Bi-Sonics or Novak DarkStars. Again, it sounds pretty sweet with the stock DeArmonds, so I'm not in a big hurry to go messin' around with something that's workin'. ;D
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A few years ago I had made a special order of Pyramid Gold strings . They made me a few sets for the Starfire as well as some variations of different gauges. I currently have a standard longscale set on my Series II long scale and a set on my Starfire . I was using Pyramid Gold strings all the back to the mid 1970's ;)
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I was able to purchase 2 sets of the new Guild BS-1 pickups . I intend to experiment on some projects with those. One of those projects is installing a set (both neck and bridge positions ) into a Gibson EB-3 .I might be installing buffer preamps to them as well but retain the passive tone circuit . I also have a separate bridge and tailpiece set that I picked up used that might go into that project. I am in no rush to complete this but I think that it will be interesting when it is indeed finished . I have been collecting pieces for this for years already it seems .
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Like this?
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Indeed, There will be other folks with a similar mindset . :)
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FWIW, I seem to have grown accustomed to the medium-scale D'Addario Chromes on it.
And I still haven't done any mods to it either... to tell the truth - I kinda' like how it sounds with the stock DeArmonds. In the back of my easily distracted mind, I think one day I'd like to Alembicize one, with some activator circuitry, but would rather do it myself.
(like I really need another project... ::))