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Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 06, 2004, 07:50:40 AM

The latches on one of my racks are loose; and I have acquired replacement latches from SKB.  The new latches include the appropriate size rivets.  I also happen to have a rivet tool that I have never used; it looks like this:
http://www.arrowfastener.com/FMPro?-db=web.fp5&-format=product.html&-lay=Entry&-Op=Equals&item=RL100S&-find= (http://www.arrowfastener.com/FMPro?-db=web.fp5&-format=product.html&-lay=Entry&-Op=Equals&item=RL100S&-find=)
I have no idea how to load or use this tool; I've never riveted anything before.  I've searched the web for instructions, but have come up empty.  I'm also unsure about removing the old latches.  I was told that the best thing to do is to drill out the old rivets; but I've read that when drilling out old rivets, you run the risk of widening the holes and making them unusable for the new rivets.  Can anyone provide some guidance to a rivet tool novice?

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: son_of_magni on November 06, 2004, 10:09:09 AM

Genericly refered to as pop rivets, you select a rivet with the correct diameter, put the pointy end into the tool and poke the big end through the pieces to be riveted.  Squeeze everything together and pump the handle.  The side with the more finished appearance is the side that the tool is on, so you want to poke it in from the outside.  
 
When you drill out the old rivets do it from the outside and don't run the drill through the hole.  The drill will seperate the two parts of the rivet before you actually touch anything important, usually you will see the outside part of the rivet start to spin with the drill bit.  Then you can just poke the inner part through with a nail and it falls apart.
 
(Message edited by son_of_magni on November 06, 2004)

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 06, 2004, 11:57:47 AM

Thanks Karl!  I'll give it a try!

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 06, 2004, 12:14:21 PM

No matter how long I stare at it, I cannot seem to grasp how it works.  I stick the pointy end of the rivet into the hole in the bottom of the tool, and I stick the barrel end through the holes in the pieces to be riveted.  Then when you say pump the handle, do you mean to pull back on the handle and then sqeeze it down one time?  What happens once you do this?  How does the tool make the rivet flare out on the far end and snugly hold everything together?

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: poor_nigel on November 06, 2004, 12:25:04 PM

The rivet(s) you are using is like a ball headed nail in a tube (Barrel).  When you start squeezing the handle, the nail is pulled into the tool, the ball end is pulled into the tube, widening the tube as it is drawn deeper.  You keep pumping the handle until it pulls so hard that the nail end breaks off, leaving the ball end in the barrel, making the barrel snugged into the hole, which is now holding the two piece together it was slipped through.

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 06, 2004, 01:00:35 PM

Thanks Nigel!  The explanation makes sense, though it's still hard to see it looking at the rivet itself.  I'll give it a try later today or tomorrow.

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: bsee on November 06, 2004, 01:28:16 PM

Rivets are cheap - just drill a hole in some scrap material of similar thickness and try one where it doesn't matter.  You also might want to do this to make sure you have the right size rivets for the project you're working on.  You probably need a fairly long rivet to go through the plywood of a case.

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 06, 2004, 02:16:25 PM

Bob, that's a good idea.  The case is an SKB; no plywood, so it's relatively thin.

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: son_of_magni on November 06, 2004, 02:44:45 PM

It usually takes three or four cranks of the handle before the nail pops off.  Then release the handle to let the nail fall out of the tool, but don't leave the nails in your driveway like I did when I riveted some sheet metal on my car...

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: shellfish on November 07, 2004, 03:57:16 AM

Some pics?
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13973.jpg)
 
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13974.jpg)
 
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13975.jpg)
 
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13976.jpg)
 
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13977.jpg)
 This rivet tool cuts nail at proper moment (damn pragmatic these germans... ;)  )
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13978.jpg)
 
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/449/13979.jpg)
  It's that easy!  Kai

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: poor_nigel on November 07, 2004, 05:31:51 AM

Hey Kai.  What a great post!  

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 07, 2004, 06:38:20 AM

Great pics!  Thanks!  And I see that the instruction is to pull back on the handle before inserting the rivet; that makes sense.

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: David Houck on November 11, 2004, 08:03:47 AM

Success!!  Thanks guys; my rack has new latches!

Title: Rivet tool
Post by: hollis on November 12, 2004, 03:21:28 PM

Man, I love this club.
 
Great post Kai!