Alembic Guitars Club
Connecting => Swap Shop and Wish Lists => For Sale & Trade => Topic started by: rockandrowe on December 04, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
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I am regrettably putting this bass up for sale. Please email me if interested. Thanks!
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This is the second time today I have cursed my depleted bank account.
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I'm thinking what's the difference if we put money into the copy machine? The real stuff isn't any better.
The hard part is convincing the authorities. I don't think they would side with us.....and thus, I'm broke too : (
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Mmmmmmmm French Vanilla and Chocolate! Any price offered?
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Mere words cannot describe how much I would love to own this. Good luck with the sale,I'm sure it won't be on the market for too long.
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It is in mint condition.
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It is in mint condition>
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What is your asking price ?
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A couple more
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/395/184321.jpg)
(http://club.alembic.com/Images/395/184322.jpg)
(Message edited by davehouck on December 08, 2013)
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oh yeah!
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Beautiful!
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I always get scared when the response to the question how much? is just more spectacular photos. I'm sure it'll be pricey...but worth every penny. That is a stunning time capsule specimen of a very unique bass.
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Look this thread (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=14354).
Eiji
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Eiji , Thank you very much !
Your Golden archival talent is much appreciated !
I remember this bass now .
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She's a beauty!
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Yes , a beautiful instrument! & What is the asking price ?
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I'd have to agree with Wolf that (a) it's a beautiful bass; and (b) an asking price is warranted here.
It will probably keep the seller from having to answer numerous PMs and offers that don't come close to what he would like to see for this beauty.
We should all remember, however, that its up to sellers to list a price and while we may not agree with the what they are asking for an instrument, if the thread becomes an instrument for bashing a person, others will be unlikely in the future, to include a price with their listings.
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If you're a serious buyer, send him an email and ask. If you're just asking because you're curious, or just kicking the tires so to say, why should the seller entertain any such requests? I wouldn't either.
Alembic goes to great length to afford their customers privacy in their dealings. That should be respected here in the club as well.
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As an overall strategy for selling an instrument I have to respectfully disagree with you on this matter. Having sold many instruments myself over the years, I've found that when I post a price I get serious buyers contacting me. When I haven't it is a lot more likely that I'll need to spend a lot of time replying to people who do not have the resources to purchase what I'm selling or are just kicking the tires. Of course it's up to the individual seller to select an approach with which he or she can live. Personally, answering a lot of emails that aren't going to pan out is a lot more adverse to me than posting my price...but that's just me.
It is a beautiful bass and I hope Scott gets what he's asking for it.
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Had I the funds to consider this lovely instrument, I'd want to see current pix; these are all taken from the previous owner's thread that Eiji links.
Peter
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Scott ,___The bass is exquisite . I have no intention of offending you with my inquiry !
Tom,___I am in favor of an indication of transparency , not tire kicking ____LOL_____
Brian , ___We seem to concur on such issues____
Good luck with the sale & happy holidays ____
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To all: I am looking for around 8k. I paid more but am trying to be as realistic as possible. Has a new case and blue power supply.
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8k ??? :-/
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More Graphite Alembics to serve as informational comparisons .
This eye candy just might cause even more Pixel Intoxication for the viewer___
____http://club.alembic.com/Images/393/79924.html?1275547115 (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=1942)
The bass for sale in this thread is a dandy ! absolutely !
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Pierre-Yves. I believe Scott was indicating that his initial asking price is $8,000 U.S. dollars = 5,837 euros = 4,895 British pounds = 491,224 Indian Rupees
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rockandrowe, a serious price ?
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I put the number out there as a starting point. I have been getting a lot of negative emails and comments like from pierreyves. I am a bit surprised because the Alembic community is usually more civil.
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Scott.
When selling an instrument please take everything you hear from others with a grain of salt keeping in mind that language and cultural differences sometimes make it difficult to effectively and respectfully communicate in an international forum of this nature.
A seller always has the right to ask a price that reflects what he or she believes to be the worth of an instrument. Others may disagree but in this forum almost everyone is respectful of that right and comments typically focus on helping people find a way to sell their instruments. In the past the good people of this forum have both helped me sell instruments by alerting others as well as assist me with finding products I wish to purchase.
Good luck in selling your bass. I just wish it wasn't a long scale version.
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Hammer, your words come from a place of wisdom, but the seller has stated he is receiving some hate e-mail. It is the responsibility of the one who communicates to keep their disdain under restraint. How would someone like it if we ragged on about a worthless Blackwood bass. Cultural and linguistic differences do not justify less than civil tones in communicating. When we are sellers we want the highest sale price while when we are buyers we tend to look for bargains. There is no place for rudeness and disrespect. When in Rome.....
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Scott, Don't let the negative emails get to you. I think your bass is worth every penny. In fact I find it on the low side.
Just try to buy a new Alembic. Try to find a new Alembic with a graphite neck! Your bass is pristine. My graphite bass is not in as good condition as yours and I would not ask a penny less than 8K.
Michael
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I agree with Michael for the most part. It's unfortunate that the resale value of our Alembics don't hold up over time. There are certain exceptions and, to me, this is one of those. Your instrument has a graphite neck which I can only assume would be an enormous up charge today, if Alembic even would consider building one. Plus it's been completely restored. It's essentially brand new, despite being over 30 years old. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for an Alembic that old that looked it (i.e. dings, dents, finish cracking, potential electronic issues, etc?). But here you're getting a like-new bass, without the two plus year wait, at a fraction of today's price. I don't see any problem. Whether or not the market will bear the asking price is another story all together.
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Dont take it personal, Scott.
Pierre has often times comes across as a complete prick on this board, but I think it has more to do with the language barrier than anything else... Just tell him that the tailpiece on your bass is off center, and he'll leave you alone....
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All anything is ever really worth is what somebody else is willing to pay for it.
There are no new graphite Series available, and barring some big sea change, there never will be. Ka-Ching . . . .
A new, garden-variety Series will run WAY more than this. Ka-Ching . . . .
And you can have this one right now, and to make it even more enticing, it's like new.
Ka-Ching . . .
Get on the web and price a few more just like it. Aren't any to be had. Ka-Ching . . . .
Seems like to me while that's not a small amount of money, for what this is, it seems more than reasonable. And even if it wasn't, it's his business. You don't have to like it. I appreciate he brought it here on offer, though I'm sure he's beginning to wonder why he bothered . . .
J o e y
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I totally agree with Joey (see my thread 432).
If all we do is bash people who provide asking prices than no one will ever come forth with this information and both sellers and buyers will end up wasting time.
Scott is trying to sell his bass and that's what this thread should be all about..supporting his selling it to someone who will use it and treasure it that way it should be.
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I concur as well !
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+1 to the previous 3 posts.
I think it's worth every penny and I wish I had the funds to purchase it.
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If it were a small body short scale I would go for it.
Keith
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I'm also worn out to this poor-pitiful-me regarding used Alembic prices.
Once you get away from the usual eye-watering resales of 50's Pauls, original korina Explorers and V's, Super 400's, D'Angelico's, etc., all the usual VINTAGE GUITAR suspects, the other 97% of used, serial-production guitars trade hands at reasonable prices. There's LOTS of old Fenders, Gibsons, Guilds, and so on that don't require a Black AmEx card to buy.
And the last time I checked, nobody was selling used Bebensees, Ken Smiths, Warriors, Modulus, ( . . . . . fill in the blank for your 'boutique' guitar or bass here . . . . ) to finance a Master's Degree, new SL, or their piece of a time-share Gulfstream Five. You can watch used Ritters drop fast enough the oxygen mask pops out of the overhead !
The market rises and falls, some things get hot, some things get cold, but usually individual, truly artisan-built and very personalized one-at-a-time axes depreciate like hell: You just can't get that skill set to build them for minimum wage, the woods and woodwork, the fittings and electronics, there's nothing cheap involved in the build. That just doesn't translate once it's dropped into this vast sea of used guitars around the world, where everything that makes it so special is just overlooked, underappreciated, and usually just ignored. And a lot of people aren't educated: They've seen Carvins and Arias and Ibanez' that are striped neckthrus, swirly-topped, with funny-looking pickups and hardware. Hell, they just saw a WESTONE at the pawnshop that looked like that. They just don't know . . . . . 'hey, what's all them knobs for? '
It's the market. I can't tell you how many times I've been in George Gruhn's here in town and watched the usual clueless, more-money-than-brains 'typical guitar collector' walk right past a Collings or Santa Cruz, thinking only a D-Martin or Montana Gibson is worth the money. I tell you, the real genius of Bob Taylor or P R Smith is they somehow broke through that kneejerk, lockstep mindset in consumers.
For me, I love that some doofus will shell out 8 grand for a clapped out 60's Jazz, and they ignore used Alembics: It's the only way I can afford them !
And that brings me to this point:
IF every time you see a used Alembic for sale and involuntarily it comes up your throat 'THAT's too much $$$ !' . . . . then how can you complain the resale value on these things is always too low?
J o e y
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It's simple, an item for sale is worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it.
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Amen
Sending emails to 'complain' about the price makes no sense. Do you think it's worth less? Shoot your offer and wait, there are no set rules when someone has an instrument to sell.
(Message edited by enzo on December 10, 2013)
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I'm not personally interested in this bass as it's not a body shape I am keen on but it looks amazing. It is in great shape and no doubt a fantastic instrument. Prices are also dependent on the country so i think for a buyer in the UK I don't think this $8000 US is excessive at all considering the UK price of a brand new Series bass. It's certainly not cheap but these basses are rare to see up for sale in the UK. However buying it from the USA would require VAT and Duty on import into the UK which at around 20% plus which is also payable on the shipping costs. That would put off many buyers here. I guess there may be more competitively priced instruments in the USA that would affect what a buyer was prepared to pay.
If I was interested in it I'd have no problem paying the asking price if. I couldn't negotiate a good reduction for shipping then I'd fly over to collect it rather than have it shipped over.
All the best with the sale and I hope you get a price you are happy with.
Jazzyvee
(Message edited by jazzyvee on December 11, 2013)
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It's a very beautiful bass.
Personally I think posting a price should be included when selling a bass, but that's just my opinion.
Best of luck with the sale!
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I agree, moonliner. Another bass site requires the posting of a price with any for sale post to avoid bidding wars and such. It keeps things more civil.
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et oh... keep quiet guys... I just said I found this 8K excessive (IMO)... forbidden here ?
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Sometimes I think it's a linguistic issue, then others...not so much.
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IMO, in somebody else for sale thread, it's not fair express opinions about pricing unless requested by the seller. You could be wrong and influence negatively the sale.
There's always space for 'polite' emails suggesting market values based on other similar basses sold IF you have interest in the bass and would like to make an offer.
...and yes, even though not a rule, a seller should always set an asking price, again IMO.
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I think it depends on the site, enzo. On TalkBass, you'd be absolutely right. I haven't been around much lately, but this site always seemed more about friends trading items for fair value rather than a place to buy and sell for profit advantage. That being the case, if someone wants to sell an ordinary Spoiler for $4K, we don't want to see anyone who doesn't know better buy it and regret their mistake later or the seller sit frustrated while no one expresses interest. Usually, issues like that arise with people who aren't regular participants here, but rather someone who sees us as a target market and just drops in for a purchase or sale. In the case of a rare and highly sought item like a Series bass with graphite neck, it's hard to imagine any number that would be unattainable. There are so few that someone who wants one might be happy to pay significantly more than what the last one sold for. $8K is certainly a lot of money, but very hard to call it excessive.
In any case, there's a fine line there somewhere between being helpful to a seller who doesn't realize the value of the product, helpful to a buyer looking for a first Alembic without a full understanding of all the product names and options and their impact on market value, or just being rude.
Hopefully a mod can pare a few of these messages out of this thread into another since poor rockandrowe's thread is already cluttered with junk unrelated to his sale.
-bob
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I understand and agree with you Bob, when there's something like a simple Spoiler priced $4k, that deserves a couple words.
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A brand new Series I is ~$13,800 with the standard options. Nothing ever retains retail. However... how many new graphite neck SI basses are you going to see? 8K seems like a reasonable starting point to me given the uniqueness of this bass. If someone is willing to pay that it's a good price. If not the seller will have to come down in price. Who cares what someone is asking for THEIR used instrument?
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This bass is sold. Thanks everyone.
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he sold it, that answers all questiones Congrats!