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Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: slicknickhaas on July 13, 2010, 07:57:45 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120592678856
 
is this a joke?

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: slawie on July 13, 2010, 08:25:02 PM

Also posted here
 
http://club.alembic.com/Images/393/82594.html?1278965394 (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=1912)
 
there seems to be some authenticity to the claim
 
slawie

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: adriaan on July 14, 2010, 12:56:55 AM

The linked thread discusses LD Heater's involvement as a distributor of Alembic instruments.
 
That's an entirely different matter from the Pan/Alembic instruments.
quote:A few years back, Michael posted in this (http://club.alembic.com/index.php?topic=15249) thread the following:  
 
Pan was a company that was distributed by L.D. Heater. The same folks that distributed Alembic back in 1973 and 74 before Rothchild stepped in. A Pan/Alembic is a Pan instrument that was modified by Alembic on a production line basis. At least that is what the Pan brochure says that I am taking this from. The Pan/Alembic instruments featured Alembic ceramic magnet hot-rod modification and some Alembic shielding. There was also some Alembic low end boost and low end cut switches. So....a Pan was a Pan, and a Pan/Alembic was just a knockoff with some uprated electronics.

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: mica on July 14, 2010, 01:25:01 PM

Pan was not modified by Alembic. Pan sent us some instruments asking for comments on how to improve them. We sent them back with a list of things, like adding Hot-Rod kits or Blasters and shielding. Then our logo shows up with the claim modified by Alembic on their guitars. Weak!  
 
I didn't realize they had it explicitly stated in their brochure as well. I would restate that a Pan was a Pan and a Pan/Alembic is a Pan with Alembic writing on it but no direct involvement from Alembic.

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: slawie on July 14, 2010, 03:09:58 PM

Sneaky people.  
Sorry my bad.
 
slawie

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: elwoodblue on September 25, 2010, 08:19:35 PM

Here's a seller that bought in to the hype
 
ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Alembic-Electric-Guitar-Case-Nice-/120626085839?pt=Guitar&hash=item1c15dfffcf target=_blank)

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: thumbsup on September 25, 2010, 09:21:06 PM

how can these companies get away with these false claims? what about copyright and trade marks?  
maybe because it was some years ago. Wouldn't happen todays market?......

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: adriaan on September 26, 2010, 02:51:21 AM

As the trademark holder you have to oppose the infringement - it was the same then as it is now. Have your legal representative write them a cease-and-desist letter, sue them if they don't comply. And remember that if you don't oppose the infringement, you might lose the trademark.

Title: Pan Modified by alembic? bass
Post by: lbpesq on September 26, 2010, 10:13:27 AM

Anyone notice that the description states 4 pickups?  The seller apparently can't count, either!
 
Bill, tgo
 
(Message edited by lbpesq on September 26, 2010)